Managing our Mind with Jessica McGovern

IN THIS EPISODE:

#075 - Becoming an entrepreneur is guaranteed to throw lighter fluid onto your personal growth journey. When you're running a personal brand, it's no surprise that everything feels so...personal. And it's easy to get knocked off course emotionally, as many of us discovered this past year.

Award-winning dog photographer Jessica McGovern is no stranger to depression and self-doubt. Our conversation this week is remarkably funny, given the topic at hand. Jessica has some deep wisdom and actionable strategies to share—along with a brilliant (if tongue-in-cheek) idea for a new Hair of the Dog training course.

What To Listen For:

Why social media can be especially torturous for photographers
How to handle perfectionism and pre-session anxiety
A system for critically assessing your own work (without being overly self-critical)
What successful pet photographers have in common
The surprising stats on photographers' mental health
What you'd find in Jessica's scrapbook—and why she includes it

If you've struggled with mindset and mental health issues, this episode will help you feel less alone. Tune in, take notes, and take a few deep breaths for good measure.

Resources From This Episode:

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Explore valuable pet photography resources here
Discover effective pricing and sales strategies for all portrait photographers.
Ready to grow your business? Elevate helps you do just that.
Check out our recommended gear and favorite books.

Full Transcript ›

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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.

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I'm Nicole Begley.

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And today I have my special guests,

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Jessica McGovern,

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and we are going to be talking about mental health and

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also how to continue to take care of our mindset and

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make sure that we are showing up in the best possible

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way. Not only for our business,

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but also in our life.

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We have a great conversation coming up.

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So definitely stick around and enjoy.

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Welcome To the hair of the dog podcast.

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If you're a pet photographer,

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ready to make more money and start living a life by

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your design,

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you've come to the right place.

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And now your host pets,

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photographers, travel addicts,

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chocolate martini,

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calmness sewer,

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Nicole Begley.

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Hey everybody,

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Nicole here from hair of the dog and I am here

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with my special guest Jessica McGovern from that spot over in

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the UK,

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Jessica. Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.

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Hello. It's really good to be here That you're taking the

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time to share with us today.

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So excited to have you here.

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So thank you for that.

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Yeah. Before we get started,

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do you want to just kind of give us a little

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background on you and your business,

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all that good stuff.

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Yeah. Show.

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So I may get,

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I make videos about photography on the incident.

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So I don't really recall to be honest.

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Yeah. So I kind of fell into it.

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It was,

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it was,

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I just did it.

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I just kind of started it for fun,

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for fun.

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I started it for fun and kind of,

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I started in 2014 and then just kind of stopped because

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like I'm rubbish at this.

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And then I found those videos again and early last year

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I was like,

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oh, people want to watch this.

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And that shocked me.

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Oh, just do some more.

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Let's just,

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you know,

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see those.

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And it was really fun.

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I just really enjoy the process of creating these videos.

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I love teaching is just two things that go great together

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and then it grew,

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and now I don't really know what I'm doing,

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but I'm trying my best.

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None of us,

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none of us really do let everybody in there on a

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secret out there.

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We're all just like flying by the seat of our Pants.

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Exactly. A hundred percent.

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And I think It's funny too,

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that, you know,

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when I started my photography business in 2010 had no intention

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of it turning into this kind of like you it's just

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like one thing starts to go after another.

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I love teaching and I loved helping people.

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And then there was more opportunity to continue doing that.

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And it was so rewarding.

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And now all of a sudden I look around and I'm

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like, holy cow,

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how did I get here?

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What just mad?

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Like you just blink.

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whoa, okay,

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well, we're going in this direction and it snowballs and you

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just kind of ask people,

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you know,

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what do you want?

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And then you end up just doing that and then that's

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your life for this?

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no, it's,

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it's brilliant.

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It's been really,

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it's been really tough.

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the topic that we're going to discuss today that that's,

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it's been hard.

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It's not been straightforward because I am not,

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I'm an introvert.

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I don't like being in front of the camera,

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like a really dough.

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So it's been,

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it's been really,

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it's been a massive LA mountain.

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I was going to say a learning curve,

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but it's not,

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it's been,

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it's been,

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it's been a fricking mountain,

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you know?

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Right. Yeah.

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It's been,

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it's, it's been interesting because a lot of the time I'm

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just like,

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what, what am I doing?

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What am I doing?

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Know that I don't know what I'm doing.

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It's just more like I'm having to push myself through so

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much stress and pressure and trolls and stuff.

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why am I doing this?

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I didn't sign up for that.

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Especially YouTube.

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I don't,

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I like all the trolls live on YouTube.

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YouTube Is by,

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by and large,

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the worst place you can possibly be,

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to be honest with like the trolls are really brutal,

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but sometimes they're not even,

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sometimes they don't even trolls and those are just people and

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they just mean it.

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It can be,

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it's brutal.

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Every single day we have nasty things and sometimes it's just

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someone being a normal troll.

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And then other times it's really personal and it right.

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And that's been an experience that people are like,

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well, you signed up for this.

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I'm like,

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well actually let me stop you there.

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My friend,

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no idea to Take the rough with this movie.

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this, I mean,

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this is a great conversation to have,

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to have this whole entrepreneurship,

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whether you're,

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you know,

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photographer or photography,

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educator or anything where you're running your business,

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but especially in the photography world,

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whether photographing or educating,

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and it's such a personal thing.

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And so much of us have our personal blood,

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sweat, and tears and personal ego.

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And all of those things are all wrapped up.

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And all of the things we create,

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whether it's our artwork or education,

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and man,

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it is hard.

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And I think this whole entrepreneurial journey it's like by far,

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it's like it's trial by fire of,

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of personal growth.

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anybody that's starting their business.

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If they think they're going to come in to any sort

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of business,

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just be like,

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oh, it's all going to be sunshine and roses and everything's

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going to be perfect.

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And there's never going to be a hard day.

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All you're very lucky that you haven't had the hard day

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yet, but,

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but there they come and they're,

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it's hard and it's,

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it can easily get derailed and you can easily go into

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this place of,

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I'm not cut out for this.

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Who do I think I am?

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What am I doing?

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Forget it.

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I'm going to quit the whole thing.

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I know I've said all of those things to myself numerous

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times. Yeah.

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I think I did that.

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Like yesterday we laughing,

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but I know I'm dead.

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I'm dead,

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fucking serious.

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I think it's,

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I think it's so true.

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I think imposter syndrome is a massive thing that a lot

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of tab,

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I think just by nature of what we do is so

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subjective. Some people you can't please everybody.

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And I think that's something that will,

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I personally try and remember that all the time.

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So this some statistic don't quote me,

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but there is a statistic that 5% of people will just

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dislike everything.

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They just dislike everything.

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So if you can make sure that you're helping 95%,

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then we're doing a good thing.

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So I think it's the same in business businesses inherently tough.

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I have seen that growing up,

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my dad has had his own business and I saw him

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graft proper graph Abadi school,

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him. It just wasn't that because he was always working and

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that kind of work ethic,

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I think has instilled into me.

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And that's kind of why I am a glued to my

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desk, but I think it is maybe came from,

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from him.

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I remember there being really bad days with his business and

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seeing the fallout of things going really wrong,

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being sued for this or,

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you know,

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having a massive issue,

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having a competitor steal his product,

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which I did definitely happen on more than one occasion.

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He bought the company that copied him.

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That was his method of dealing with it.

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It was just buy them out and I'm like,

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oh, that's not the way to deal with this.

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it's, it's,

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it's been interesting to grow up with it.

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Cause I think a lot of people don't have that.

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They've got parents with normal jobs and the,

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they go to work and they come home and spend time

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with the kids.

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That would,

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that would have been great.

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That would have been really,

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really great,

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but me and my brother would both have our own business

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and we've always done that.

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That's what we've done.

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I think we grew up into it,

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but it's,

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it's never going to be straightforward.

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And I think it's always,

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there's always going to be people waiting for you to fail

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as well.

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So you just gotta kind of keep,

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keep going,

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try not to get too much in your head,

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which is so much easier said than done.

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it's also so much easier said than done to not focus

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on the perceived or actual comments that are negative.

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especially I think in our like photography creation,

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for, in the photography business,

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when I'm putting out a new piece of work or a

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new image we created,

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and we're really proud of it,

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we're really scared of,

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oh, people are going to dislike this and say something mean

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and say something rude,

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but really,

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truly, they usually don't for kind of when we're sharing our

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artwork on our things,

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it's so much in our head,

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but you know,

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sometimes you get to these other things on such as on

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YouTube. That's where I get my Munis comments is on YouTube

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and, and you know,

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everyone says,

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well, don't focus on it,

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but it's so hard.

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You read that.

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And it's like,

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it feels like a dagger to your heart.

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And you're just like,

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oh my God,

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like, you can just keep scrolling or not watch it dude.

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Like, and these people that,

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you know,

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it's so disconnected because it's just behind a keyboard.

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So I think people feel empowered to just like,

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I've had a bad day,

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so I'm going to make everyone else have a bad day

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too. But gosh,

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it's just so hard to deal with Is,

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I mean,

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there's been,

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there's been a couple of times where I kind of,

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I T I try and take that like kill them with

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kindness approach.

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So if somebody is being really mean,

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which sometimes they are,

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and they kind of talk about me as though I'm not

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a real person.

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So she,

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they like commenting and the late she's doing,

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she's saying this and all of that stuff.

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So I replied like,

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Hey, she here,

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she's trying to be like,

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not quite sure what's going on with you today,

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but I really hope you're having a good day and stay

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safe a while and you know,

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all that kind of stuff and just be like,

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okay, I got you.

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And they sometimes really just do a 180 and they're like,

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oh God,

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she's real.

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Like, she's,

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this is,

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I'm Not a robot.

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I'm an actual person.

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Sometimes, sometimes that's interesting.

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Cause sometimes they'll turn around and like,

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oh, you know,

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try and backtrack it.

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And just like,

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you know,

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just, you know,

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be a nice person.

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So I th I think YouTube is always going to be

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polarizing because it's not that regulated in terms of like YouTube

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itself, doesn't do a lot to stop.

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Although they have very recently,

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they have started to put in kind of filters that screen

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things out,

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which, which do work.

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Sadly, I can still see those comments,

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but just don't publicly.

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That's when you have a team member go through those.

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And you're like,

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I don't even want to know Rachel does all the comments

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and she'll sometimes say,

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have you been on YouTube today?

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And I'd be like,

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no, she's like,

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okay. Don't and I'm like,

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yeah, well now I have to go look like the worst

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thing for me is the stats.

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And this is the same across every single social media platform

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for every single photographer.

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You see people like Martin,

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a lot of my students will post on Instagram and maybe

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it didn't get as many likes as they wanted it to.

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And so they delete the post I'm like,

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why did that post with the dog?

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And the blue bells go?

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And they said,

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oh, it bombed.

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It did really bad.

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So I deleted it and I'm like,

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I don't,

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I don't even,

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I don't even do that for my own images,

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but I can really understand why people do that because it

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makes you think,

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oh, you know,

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that's really bad post.

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And it must be really bad.

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And I don't know why people don't like it.

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And, and a lot of the time it's the algorithm and

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it just picks something up and you've got no control,

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but the numbers are the worst thing for me.

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Cause I,

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when you eat,

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as you'll know,

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when you go into YouTube studio,

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you get the stats and like,

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it's the arrows,

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like, are you doing well?

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Right. Arrows that.

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And so that,

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that not great.

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There was a,

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a set that I know Jared Polin photos photo did a

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video on it because they didn't update on the app.

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And it literally said your videos are doing really badly this

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week, like in words.

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And that was really rough though.

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Cause like,

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I know I don't need you to tell me that I

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can, I can see.

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And then the other side of it is that in your

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content, that's where you can see like all the videos in

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the list.

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I, I know this because I do it all the time.

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I got to it on like a tab on half my

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screen and my I'm up.

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And there's like the list of videos that,

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and you'll know as well as I do it.

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Right on the right hand side.

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There is the likes and dislikes.

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Yeah. The first thing I do the first day,

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I don't know why.

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Cause I know,

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I don't want to know.

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I know,

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got It.

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It's just our human nature.

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We have to Have to look.

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I just have to look and I'm like,

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okay, how many dislikes does this video have?

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And it's like,

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this is making me feel awful.

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And sometimes,

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And even when the legs certainly outnumber tenfold a hundred fold.

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Yeah. Like we still just,

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our human nature is to focus on those couple Of dislikes,

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that one,

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the two.

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And, and you know,

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the funny thing is,

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I've said it before Instagram stories is some people like why

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is there always just one dislike?

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I'm like,

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I don't know who it is,

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but that helped me with my engagement rating.

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So I'm kind of okay with it,

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but deep down it does,

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it does.

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And then he's like,

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I'm not going out of my way to try and please

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everybody anyway.

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So why do I care?

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But you do.

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It's just human.

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It's just human nature.

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And you just want to be liked because you know,

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evolution has meant his need to be social creatures and we

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have to feel like we fit in and if we don't

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fit in,

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then we're probably going to die in 100%.

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But pushing social media is basically made this 3000 times more

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intensified. That number was just made up,

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but, and tends to talk a lot.

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Yes. 100% agree.

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Yeah. I mean,

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it's just so easy to get bogged down in that external

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validation and not even for a validation of okay,

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when this does well,

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I do well,

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I feel good,

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but a validation of,

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if this doesn't hit like this new image that I posted,

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if I don't get a hundred likes,

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then I'm not a real photographer.

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I'm not worthy.

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I mean,

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those are very real emotions that people feel.

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And it has nothing to do with your image.

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And like you said,

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it could all be the algorithm.

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It could be that you posted on a Thursday evening and

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something else was viral or this or that.

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And it didn't get the engagement because your people were sleeping

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who the heck knows.

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Or maybe just people are having a rough day and they're

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just scrolling by,

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you know,

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we make up all these stories in our head of what

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likes mean what don't not likes,

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mean what comments mean?

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Like just what anything means.

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We're just up stories.

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And usually those stories are gosh,

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things that don't always make us feel good.

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No, I think it's,

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it's really easy for us to kind of go down this

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rabbit hole and it's it's next to impossible to do,

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but I do try and kind of distance myself a little

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bit from the numbers.

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I try not to look at the numbers if I can,

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if there was a setting on my apps where I could

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just turn them off,

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I honestly would.

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That's actually a really good idea.

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Are you listening?

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I mean,

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Instagram go down would be,

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you just don't look at the stats.

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It would be very freeing.

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I think it's,

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it's good to not look,

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I, I try,

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I don't look on Instagram,

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so I don't check how many likes a recent posts has

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done because I know that if I post my Instagram following

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is mostly a dog photographers.

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So I know that if I post something that's a human,

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it's not going to do no one there as well as

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one of the dog picture.

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So I don't get too hung up on that.

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But definitely in terms of,

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if something Facebook is the most annoying one on the business

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pages, because Facebook doesn't like business pages getting any reach at

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all right?

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So on those ones,

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it can be a bit frustrating because if you link out

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to anything,

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Facebook penalizes your posts,

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so you can't add leaks at all.

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She could be really frustrating.

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And then if you add Facebook ads,

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that's where the other trolls live On YouTube and Facebook ads

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on Facebook.

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Facebook ads is a one place where I,

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I like to bring it to the trolls in a way,

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like I work with them.

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Well, I have watched in the past,

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still do a little bit now with big businesses.

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And so they've got massive app budget.

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So you're thinking like that two grand a week.

520
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So like that 2000 pound a week,

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it will say 2000 on a day in some cases on,

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on ads.

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And it's really fun to be the person on social media

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for that because you disconnected from it because it's not,

525
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that's not your name,

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but you were like commenting as the company is massive bra,

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big, special brand new,

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like on the comments.

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And I just love to just throw them a gift.

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They just get the gifts out.

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We just,

532
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I just try and have a bit of fun.

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So with the,

534
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honestly I find myself hilarious.

535
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I don't know what they think,

536
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but sometimes they find it hilarious.

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And a lot of the time all the people find it

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hilarious. So I find Facebook comments,

539
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like sometimes the best,

540
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because you can get where you call it,

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give reply and YouTube.

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Yeah. That's true.

543
00:17:27,340 --> 00:17:30,310
Which is so frustrating because my life would be solved.

544
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:31,420
If I could just add some games,

545
00:17:31,540 --> 00:17:38,710
like That's all I need in life or more gifts like

546
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,610
on the phone,

547
00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:40,210
like, hold on.

548
00:17:40,210 --> 00:17:41,140
I'm just going to text you.

549
00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,060
Cause I can't respond verbally to that.

550
00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:48,700
Well, GIF Illustrates the situation there is for everything.

551
00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:50,780
That's true.

552
00:17:50,780 --> 00:17:52,890
I'll have to add that as a special training gift training.

553
00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:57,440
One-on-one And the one I told my dad how to use

554
00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,520
gifts on his iPhone.

555
00:17:58,580 --> 00:17:59,660
Oh my goodness.

556
00:17:59,690 --> 00:18:01,850
What became so fun?

557
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,440
Every, every question we asked him,

558
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,150
just reply with.

559
00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:09,770
Yes. That's really funny.

560
00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,300
My mom's in that phase right now.

561
00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:20,480
Not yet.

562
00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:21,020
Not ready,

563
00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:21,740
not ready.

564
00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:25,430
So what advice do you have for,

565
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,620
let's say those photographers that are,

566
00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:28,100
you know,

567
00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:29,840
out there they're getting their work out there,

568
00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,420
but they're just feeling just really anxious about putting anything out

569
00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:37,610
there. Do you have any words of advice for them?

570
00:18:37,910 --> 00:18:39,800
I think it's difficult cause I,

571
00:18:40,010 --> 00:18:41,270
I feel the same way.

572
00:18:41,420 --> 00:18:42,020
So yeah,

573
00:18:42,260 --> 00:18:43,430
it's, it's hard to be like,

574
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:47,320
yes, do this because you will feel completely free because I

575
00:18:47,330 --> 00:18:48,740
can't, I can't promise that.

576
00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:52,190
But what it comes say is that this time,

577
00:18:52,190 --> 00:18:52,820
last year,

578
00:18:52,850 --> 00:18:55,190
if I look back at the photos I was producing,

579
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:58,760
if I compare myself to myself this time last year,

580
00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:59,570
10 years ago,

581
00:18:59,570 --> 00:19:00,350
whenever it was,

582
00:19:00,890 --> 00:19:03,080
the progression has been insane.

583
00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,630
And in the last year alone,

584
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:10,640
I just went and did my own thing and stopped caring

585
00:19:10,700 --> 00:19:14,000
what other photographers thought.

586
00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:17,510
And now I find myself getting hooked and I've been really

587
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:19,550
bad place mentally over the last few weeks.

588
00:19:20,090 --> 00:19:23,780
And I've realized exactly why is because I'm embedding myself in

589
00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:25,520
photography groups,

590
00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:29,270
again, it's that pressure.

591
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:32,150
And as soon as I removed myself from that in terms

592
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:33,620
of, you know,

593
00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:36,890
it's great to get critique and it's great to reach out

594
00:19:36,890 --> 00:19:37,460
for feedback.

595
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:41,600
100% absolutely would never disagree with that.

596
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,350
I just think that it's good to get critique from people

597
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:45,860
who, you know,

598
00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:46,550
and trust.

599
00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:49,580
So it's positive and constructive critique that,

600
00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:54,470
that you asked for rather than it being unsolicited advice from

601
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:55,130
the internet,

602
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,810
which is a big thing.

603
00:19:56,990 --> 00:20:02,030
So I think it's important to know that my greatest progression

604
00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:04,580
of my best work has been when I've not cared about

605
00:20:04,580 --> 00:20:05,660
what anyone else thinks.

606
00:20:06,050 --> 00:20:06,310
That's all,

607
00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:07,760
that's Huge.

608
00:20:07,790 --> 00:20:08,330
And the,

609
00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:11,960
the comparing your work to your past work and only your

610
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,560
past work is also huge because I see so many people

611
00:20:15,740 --> 00:20:18,920
that get so frustrated and they just want to hang up

612
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,100
their camera and quit because they're comparing their first year work

613
00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:23,990
to somebody's 10th year work.

614
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:24,530
You know,

615
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,270
all of us started somewhere.

616
00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:27,560
All of us started with,

617
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:28,040
I mean,

618
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,730
I share some of my crap images that people bought and

619
00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:33,620
I feel really kind of guilty that they,

620
00:20:34,090 --> 00:20:35,360
those images,

621
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,270
oh my God,

622
00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:39,770
I printed that out as an artwork,

623
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:41,000
somewhere in somebody's house.

624
00:20:41,030 --> 00:20:42,200
Oh. And so ashamed,

625
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:45,950
like we've all been there because you don't like,

626
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:46,700
you know,

627
00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:48,280
you don't grow up as a toddler,

628
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:48,850
like with,

629
00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:49,810
you know,

630
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:50,650
like savant,

631
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,140
perfect photography world,

632
00:20:53,140 --> 00:20:54,610
you have to learn these things.

633
00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:55,090
So yeah,

634
00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:57,550
that comparison to other people at a different part of their

635
00:20:57,550 --> 00:21:00,270
journey is I think one of the most toxic things we

636
00:21:00,270 --> 00:21:00,630
can do.

637
00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:02,390
Sure. I think it,

638
00:21:02,460 --> 00:21:02,790
you know,

639
00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:03,660
social media is,

640
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,990
is the world of comparison before we only had to really

641
00:21:06,990 --> 00:21:09,990
compare ourselves to our immediate friends and family,

642
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:10,170
you know,

643
00:21:10,170 --> 00:21:14,280
like I would close circle if you needed to or wanted

644
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,450
to, you could compare yourself to,

645
00:21:15,450 --> 00:21:15,690
you know,

646
00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:17,520
magazines or what was on TV,

647
00:21:18,030 --> 00:21:20,850
but you knew you knew it wasn't real.

648
00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:22,380
It's just seems like with social media,

649
00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:25,470
we, we see everybody else's highlight reel,

650
00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:26,640
which we do.

651
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,630
We see everyone's highlight reel every single day and you're comparing

652
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,940
other people's highlight Realty or behind the scenes.

653
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:36,240
And the two were never gonna stack up anyway.

654
00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:38,010
But a lot of the time people say,

655
00:21:38,010 --> 00:21:38,400
you know,

656
00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:39,480
I can't do it.

657
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,740
I can't do your style.

658
00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:41,760
If they're on the course,

659
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,510
for example,

660
00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:43,710
can't get the backgrounds.

661
00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:44,850
Right. I can't get my composition.

662
00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:45,360
My in-camera,

663
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:45,900
I can't do this,

664
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:46,740
this and this.

665
00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:48,270
And they're making a massive list.

666
00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:52,350
They started to photography died a year ago or two years

667
00:21:52,350 --> 00:21:53,100
ago or something.

668
00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:55,650
And they practiced as much as they can around the full-time

669
00:21:55,650 --> 00:21:56,580
job. And that's great,

670
00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:01,260
but they're expecting to be the running before they can walk.

671
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,550
And I just say,

672
00:22:02,550 --> 00:22:04,920
look, is it just whoa,

673
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,270
which is why I say,

674
00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:07,230
just blow,

675
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:08,070
like, hold up.

676
00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:10,320
I just go back and break it down.

677
00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:11,910
Just do it in like little bits.

678
00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:15,300
Nobody is going to get mad at you.

679
00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:17,880
If you don't take an award-winning photo today,

680
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:19,980
which is something I have to remind myself,

681
00:22:24,090 --> 00:22:25,050
heading out to a shoot.

682
00:22:25,050 --> 00:22:28,140
And I was just like putting so much pressure on myself,

683
00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:29,460
like piling it on.

684
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,030
I was like,

685
00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:32,340
what am I doing it three,

686
00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:32,970
four years ago,

687
00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:35,670
five years ago when I knew less and was a lot

688
00:22:35,670 --> 00:22:38,460
worse than I am now,

689
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,610
I would have been so excited going out to that shoot.

690
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,680
And now I'm like,

691
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,080
I don't want to do it because I'm so in my

692
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,150
head about how it has to be perfect.

693
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,880
And I just thought it was ridiculous.

694
00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:52,020
So I put my music on really,

695
00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:54,990
really loud and sang all the way.

696
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,130
And I go there and I just had it.

697
00:22:59,130 --> 00:22:59,540
I was just like,

698
00:22:59,550 --> 00:22:59,730
you know,

699
00:22:59,740 --> 00:23:00,840
let's just have a good time.

700
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,220
And the pictures are amazing.

701
00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:04,170
Yeah. We,

702
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:04,830
we, we,

703
00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:09,510
our own worst presents and we don't need to be because

704
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,310
we'll just do an orange thing.

705
00:23:11,370 --> 00:23:13,860
So just do whatever you want to do.

706
00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:15,600
I, I just saw a threat actually.

707
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:15,870
You know,

708
00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:17,790
funny, funny that just before we came,

709
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,260
we had this call.

710
00:23:19,290 --> 00:23:21,690
Yeah. I sort of bred on Facebook from one of my

711
00:23:21,690 --> 00:23:23,850
students and she won't mind me sharing that.

712
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:25,200
The situation she's learned,

713
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:25,890
listening technique,

714
00:23:25,890 --> 00:23:29,700
where she just textures in Photoshop and she applies them to

715
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:30,630
all sorts of images.

716
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:32,580
She does lots of wildlife photography,

717
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,080
amazing work.

718
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,310
And she's using a textures and somebody commented saying,

719
00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:39,390
you know,

720
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,150
I think this would be better if the touch didn't cover

721
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,250
this part of the image,

722
00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:45,710
whatever. And she's lit,

723
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:46,610
she just replied and said,

724
00:23:46,670 --> 00:23:48,320
it's great that we all like different things.

725
00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:50,150
That's a great way to comment.

726
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,110
I was like,

727
00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:57,580
okay, we put that in my back pocket.

728
00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:03,670
That's a really good people.

729
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,990
People say,

730
00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:05,830
no, I don't like this.

731
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:06,550
I don't like that.

732
00:24:06,550 --> 00:24:08,080
I think he should do this differently.

733
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:08,440
And it's like,

734
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,690
I think you should do this differently to be more like,

735
00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:16,030
well, I like that end bit is the point that kind

736
00:24:16,030 --> 00:24:17,080
of ruins the whole thing.

737
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,240
I think it is the me as long as an image

738
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,410
is technically sound.

739
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:21,640
I don't care.

740
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:23,530
I genuinely don't care.

741
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600
And I know some people would not care if it wasn't

742
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,380
technically sound,

743
00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:27,100
that's fine.

744
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:27,730
But for me,

745
00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:28,960
if it's technically sound,

746
00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:29,560
I don't care.

747
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,580
It can be any style.

748
00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:32,320
It genuinely doesn't bother me.

749
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:33,820
Yes. Yeah.

750
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,830
That's the technically sound piece.

751
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:36,820
That's definitely,

752
00:24:36,820 --> 00:24:37,120
you know,

753
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,760
something I like to teach my students that are early in

754
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,990
their photography journey.

755
00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:41,350
It's like,

756
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:41,590
all right,

757
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:43,900
this is what makes a technically sound photograph.

758
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,040
And you know,

759
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,570
and then once you learn that,

760
00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:49,840
then you're able to start kind of playing with different things.

761
00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:50,410
You know?

762
00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:51,040
So same thing.

763
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,700
You've got to walk,

764
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:52,330
learn to walk,

765
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,290
learn the rules,

766
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,500
and then you can mix and match rules and do whatever

767
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,660
you want to start to create different things.

768
00:24:59,770 --> 00:25:01,150
And yeah.

769
00:25:01,180 --> 00:25:03,100
And just follow what you love.

770
00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:06,430
I, one thing that I hear over and over again with

771
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:08,500
the different people that I've talked to on this podcast,

772
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,490
people that are killing it,

773
00:25:09,490 --> 00:25:10,810
people that are doing really,

774
00:25:10,810 --> 00:25:11,470
really well,

775
00:25:11,620 --> 00:25:13,810
there is a common denominator and it is,

776
00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:16,630
they are following what they love.

777
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:18,850
They're following the path that they are aligned with.

778
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,400
They're not trying to create art for somebody else.

779
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:23,890
They're not trying to create the same art that somebody else

780
00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:26,530
is creating because I think a lot of us fall into

781
00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:27,760
the trap too of saying,

782
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:28,570
oh, well,

783
00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:29,560
I really liked that.

784
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,780
And that person's successful with that style.

785
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,510
So I think I'm going to create that same thing so

786
00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:36,040
that I can be successful too,

787
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,420
but you'll be more successful if you actually create from something

788
00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:42,130
that you love and why it's inside of you.

789
00:25:42,730 --> 00:25:43,870
Yeah. A hundred percent.

790
00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:44,180
I mean,

791
00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:44,590
I, I,

792
00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:46,020
I think what you said is,

793
00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:52,240
is perfect because I think it's great to learn with another

794
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,080
photographer that,

795
00:25:53,170 --> 00:25:57,640
that you are really inspired by old adult.

796
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:58,630
I think that's great.

797
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,240
And I would always say to people,

798
00:26:01,270 --> 00:26:03,880
instead of doing a formal education,

799
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,750
like a degree,

800
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:08,620
you use that money and the time and go and see

801
00:26:08,620 --> 00:26:10,930
if you can spend it with a photographer that you,

802
00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:11,440
you know,

803
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,020
love and admire and do that instead.

804
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:18,730
And I think it's good to learn these tools and techniques

805
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,930
that other people have know to the workflows that,

806
00:26:22,990 --> 00:26:25,270
that say a European photographer might use.

807
00:26:25,270 --> 00:26:28,720
And then that's really geographically specific.

808
00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:29,380
But you know,

809
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:30,400
you know what I mean?

810
00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:32,620
So different workflows,

811
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:33,730
these different skills,

812
00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:37,060
these different elements that they bring together when they're shooting and

813
00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:40,390
even different genres and different styles and learn all of these

814
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:41,590
different skills and techniques,

815
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:44,430
and then just see what recipes can create by yourself.

816
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:47,760
But you won't ever go anywhere unless you fail.

817
00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:49,890
You have to make those little failures.

818
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,300
It's just like dog training.

819
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:51,960
You know,

820
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,100
if I'm doing,

821
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,200
cause I did positive reinforcement training,

822
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:56,220
like a training,

823
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:57,960
I need them to make failures.

824
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,080
I need them to make bad choices for them to know

825
00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:04,770
the good choices as well and what gets the reward.

826
00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,980
So I think it's the same when you're doing photography,

827
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:08,100
you know,

828
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,450
you have to do things and go,

829
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,640
yep. Nope did not work.

830
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:12,480
Not for me.

831
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:13,500
That's okay.

832
00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:15,330
I will remember that and move on.

833
00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:17,760
So as long as you can self critique your work and

834
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,460
try not to compare yourself to somebody else to how you

835
00:27:20,460 --> 00:27:22,080
were yesterday or last week,

836
00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:23,700
there is a caveat around that though,

837
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:25,740
because sometimes it's like,

838
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:29,550
I did some really good work last year and then I've

839
00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:31,350
just felt like totally off my game.

840
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:32,850
I can't do it.

841
00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:33,930
I can't get the same.

842
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,070
It's just not working out.

843
00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:36,000
I could get the same look,

844
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,080
I get the same feel.

845
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,940
The standard of work has depth.

846
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:39,840
And so I was like,

847
00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:40,230
you know,

848
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:41,850
I'm just going to give up stop,

849
00:27:41,970 --> 00:27:42,780
which is just my head,

850
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:43,350
total pain.

851
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Apparently he hit the best that I can do.

852
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,290
I might as well quit now.

853
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:49,220
Well, I just like,

854
00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:49,460
you know,

855
00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:50,180
with all those awards,

856
00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:54,860
I'm just going to retire now because for me it's been

857
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:58,430
really difficult to kind of like come back and see if

858
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:58,760
I can,

859
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,520
I was putting so much pressure on myself to reach that

860
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,270
level every day that I was just never going to reach

861
00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:06,200
that level again,

862
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,910
because the pressure was so high.

863
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,310
And so I just kind of sat back and said,

864
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:10,670
you know what?

865
00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:13,010
I'm just going to look at some things I want to

866
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:14,330
do like personal projects,

867
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,500
passion projects,

868
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:17,840
and just look at it a little bit differently and just

869
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,550
do something because I want to do it.

870
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:24,340
So in February we started a project this just about finished

871
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:25,460
with the first test print over.

872
00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:25,940
That was fine.

873
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:27,530
I glanced to my left,

874
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:30,830
which Nicole will have seen none of you guys,

875
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:35,690
the first test print from that.

876
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:36,290
And you know what,

877
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,900
just that experience is doing that for me,

878
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,940
it's taken what we in may now.

879
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,410
No, it's not finished yet.

880
00:28:42,410 --> 00:28:43,430
And it was still in months.

881
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:47,000
And, but that process of doing that and exploring that and

882
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,900
just trying some stuff and seeing what works is being infuriating,

883
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:52,430
but brilliant,

884
00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:54,740
like so creatively freeing,

885
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,670
I think everybody should do personal projects because that's why you,

886
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,090
well, probably that's why you started photography in the first place.

887
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:05,540
It was because you just enjoyed doing stuff with a camera.

888
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,470
So why not go back to doing that if you're finding

889
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,940
other things too difficult.

890
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:15,260
Yeah. And you have no pressure from like what the clients

891
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:18,380
want. Cause you are setting everything up for you to create

892
00:29:18,380 --> 00:29:20,450
something magical and amazing.

893
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:22,010
And if it's not magical and amazing,

894
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:22,670
then okay,

895
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:23,930
we learned some lessons.

896
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:24,900
What can I do to,

897
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:25,550
to make that?

898
00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:26,150
And you know,

899
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:27,050
that failure,

900
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:28,370
people get so scared of it,

901
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:28,970
but it is,

902
00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:30,650
it's a necessary step.

903
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:31,340
I mean,

904
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,230
I'm pretty sure all of us when we were learning to

905
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:34,820
walk, fell down a few times,

906
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,630
did we quit?

907
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,790
No, we got back up and tried again,

908
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:39,920
probably even hit her head and you know,

909
00:29:40,670 --> 00:29:41,860
like cried hurt.

910
00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:42,670
But yeah,

911
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,060
all of those things you have to just keep on trying.

912
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:48,730
And by having that failure,

913
00:29:48,730 --> 00:29:52,360
it also kind of creates a contrast of what we want

914
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,350
and what we don't want.

915
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:55,210
And if you never create that contrast,

916
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,490
then you're never able to actually,

917
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:58,000
you know,

918
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,170
figure out what it is,

919
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,310
what direction you want to Go in.

920
00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:01,530
Sure. For sure.

921
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:02,520
I mean like it's like,

922
00:30:02,970 --> 00:30:06,780
I know I put full edits on YouTube,

923
00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:10,770
which is something that I don't like to do because for

924
00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:12,300
so many different reasons,

925
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:14,970
but primarily for me,

926
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:18,480
I don't like to put the full edits on YouTube because

927
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:23,280
people follow the exact steps at the exact values that are

928
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,190
seen on my image that I'm working on their image.

929
00:30:26,580 --> 00:30:29,400
And then they get frustrated because it didn't look like my

930
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,420
image did at the end,

931
00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,480
but we started at different places and I'm working on a

932
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,770
Sony. If you're on a cannon,

933
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:36,480
you don't need to go anywhere near as far on your

934
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,960
adjustments as I do because kind of rural files,

935
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,930
as you probably will know from working with so many different

936
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:47,910
students and different cameras is that each individual camera system has

937
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:51,360
a massively different variability in terms of the files.

938
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,920
So I'll go further then maybe somebody with,

939
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:54,750
with a cannon would,

940
00:30:54,750 --> 00:30:57,030
but someone with a Nicole could probably go a little bit

941
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:58,950
further depending on which aspects we're looking at.

942
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,550
Right? And so people are putting the exact same adjustments,

943
00:31:02,580 --> 00:31:04,110
the exact same shadows adjustment,

944
00:31:04,170 --> 00:31:06,360
the exact same radial strength,

945
00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:09,750
the exact same capacities on images that were shot in different

946
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,580
countries, let alone different.

947
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:13,830
Yeah. Different Lighting conditions,

948
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:15,030
different lenses,

949
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:15,930
the whole nine yards.

950
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:17,880
We're going to look exactly the same.

951
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,910
And it's that process of learning that critical.

952
00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:24,330
Decision-making how much of this do I need to apply to

953
00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:27,180
get the result I want is that is that could only

954
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:28,260
come through trial and error.

955
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:28,710
It could.

956
00:31:29,550 --> 00:31:31,530
And sometimes I look back at my work from this time

957
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:31,860
last year,

958
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:33,570
I think I went way too far.

959
00:31:37,410 --> 00:31:38,490
We've all done that too.

960
00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:42,300
You can't live your life is consistently going back to a

961
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:44,850
piece of work and trying to make it perfect because perfection

962
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:45,600
doesn't exist.

963
00:31:45,690 --> 00:31:47,160
You have to call it at some point.

964
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,520
It should go.

965
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,300
Yeah, that's done.

966
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:49,800
Now let's move on to something else.

967
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:54,780
If everybody critically assesses their own work and picks three things

968
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:57,750
that went really well and three things to improve next time,

969
00:31:57,750 --> 00:32:00,900
but frame it as a positive and then actually work on

970
00:32:00,900 --> 00:32:03,540
those three things next time it did.

971
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:05,430
It does genuinely change your mindset.

972
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:08,040
Yeah. I love that.

973
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,600
That's a hundred percent true.

974
00:32:10,020 --> 00:32:10,320
You know,

975
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,090
I think this,

976
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:13,650
this business in general become such a,

977
00:32:14,190 --> 00:32:17,640
a hard business to be in because we're all mostly working

978
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,140
at home alone.

979
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:19,920
You know,

980
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,930
we have some friends on the internet,

981
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:23,460
but then our internet friends,

982
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:26,490
we usually find those in those groups where everybody's posting all

983
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:30,150
those images and we jumped down that comparison rabbit hole that

984
00:32:30,210 --> 00:32:31,530
never ends in a good place.

985
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:32,400
And yeah,

986
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,460
and it's just so personal because it's a personal brand,

987
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:35,790
you know,

988
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:37,560
even if it's not your name,

989
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,600
it's still you and you are tied to that business.

990
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,920
So it just becomes a recipe for just really challenging,

991
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:47,600
really challenging Headspace.

992
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:50,740
I know one of the ways that I have found to

993
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:51,920
try to get out of,

994
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:52,580
you know,

995
00:32:52,580 --> 00:32:53,810
when I feel like I'm in a funk.

996
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,800
Yeah. That's well,

997
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,300
let me back up for a second too.

998
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:59,180
And truly anytime that,

999
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,460
that you feel just not positive,

1000
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:04,700
you know,

1001
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:07,490
you're just like in that slump and,

1002
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:08,840
and wherever it is,

1003
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:09,080
I mean,

1004
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,660
it's because of something that you're saying in your head,

1005
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,930
because our thoughts equal our feelings,

1006
00:33:14,990 --> 00:33:16,430
the thoughts lead the feelings.

1007
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:20,630
So whenever you find yourself just feeling kind of blah or

1008
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,570
bad, really like to start to ask ourselves,

1009
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:25,040
sorry, what am I thinking right now?

1010
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:27,920
Because a lot of times we don't even ask that question.

1011
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,310
We just continue to sit in that feeling of yuck.

1012
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:35,060
And sometimes then it spirals down and gets worse and darker.

1013
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,010
But really whenever we start to feel that,

1014
00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:38,720
just asking that one question of like,

1015
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:39,200
oh my gosh,

1016
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:40,430
what am I thinking right now?

1017
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:43,910
And then trying to kind of reframe it or make a

1018
00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:44,930
gratitude list,

1019
00:33:44,930 --> 00:33:47,090
or I have like a little list of 10 things to

1020
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:47,690
do, like,

1021
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:47,960
you know,

1022
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:50,600
putting on the music and singing or going outside in the

1023
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,320
sun or,

1024
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,560
you know,

1025
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,480
just some quick things to kind of get in a better

1026
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,310
mood. So I think it's one of like the most,

1027
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,770
most important habits that we can try To have.

1028
00:33:57,910 --> 00:33:58,780
Yeah, definitely.

1029
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:59,050
I mean,

1030
00:33:59,050 --> 00:33:59,770
I still,

1031
00:34:01,570 --> 00:34:09,610
sorry, not coronavirus probably progressive though.

1032
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:13,840
No, I was going to say was that's so true.

1033
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,110
I did like I did an exercise last night.

1034
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,740
I mean,

1035
00:34:18,610 --> 00:34:18,940
I will,

1036
00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:20,440
it bet that straight afterwards,

1037
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,460
I sent my husband a WhatsApp message that read and I

1038
00:34:24,460 --> 00:34:27,460
quote, I dove in this word cause I don't feel any

1039
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:32,020
different exercise itself in,

1040
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:34,150
in principle actually is quite good.

1041
00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:34,570
So you,

1042
00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,700
you write your cause usually it's,

1043
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:39,820
it's in reaction to a positive experience and you can add

1044
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:40,960
negative feelings to it.

1045
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,190
So if something goes really well,

1046
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:42,760
you can be like,

1047
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,430
well that's only because it was a fluke.

1048
00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:49,390
That's the only big I did this or say business is

1049
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:50,380
going really well.

1050
00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:51,040
That could be,

1051
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,110
you could have a feeling that it was not going to

1052
00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:55,060
last. It's going to fall apart.

1053
00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:57,130
Someone's going to pull the rug out from underneath me is

1054
00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:59,230
one of my sayings that I pass.

1055
00:35:00,340 --> 00:35:00,910
So similarly,

1056
00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:02,590
if it's really bad situation,

1057
00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:03,400
if something's going bad,

1058
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,910
you, you know,

1059
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:07,150
struggling to get clients coming out with a lock down or

1060
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:09,640
whatever it might be in those situations,

1061
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:12,370
you will have negative thoughts and negative experiences.

1062
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:14,050
And often just like you said,

1063
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:16,720
you kind of frame it in a really negative way,

1064
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,280
in an unhelpful way.

1065
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:24,460
And part of this exercise is basically to list those things,

1066
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:26,890
those negative thoughts and feelings.

1067
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:29,830
And then there was another column that was next to it

1068
00:35:29,830 --> 00:35:31,720
that said something along the lines of,

1069
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,480
but next time I'll remind myself that.

1070
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:36,220
So you,

1071
00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:38,190
if you have a negative feeling,

1072
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,980
you feel like because business is going really well.

1073
00:35:41,380 --> 00:35:42,120
You will,

1074
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,840
it's not going to last,

1075
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,890
it's all going to fall apart.

1076
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:45,180
I'm not going to be able to do it.

1077
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:48,060
Everyone's only here because I did one good thing and I

1078
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:48,870
can't keep doing that.

1079
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:49,470
What, you know what I mean?

1080
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,440
Any negative self-talk that you could have.

1081
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,760
And then you answer that,

1082
00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:57,600
write down what you would do next time to remind yourself.

1083
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,980
And actually that was a really interesting experience to do because

1084
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:03,750
it was just so right,

1085
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,990
because both answers were right,

1086
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:09,090
because they're so used to the negative talk.

1087
00:36:10,050 --> 00:36:12,150
But you wouldn't say that to a front.

1088
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,950
You wouldn't say that to,

1089
00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:14,640
well, I don't know.

1090
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:15,030
You might.

1091
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:18,680
That's all you'd like that friend.

1092
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,380
He wouldn't do that to a loved one.

1093
00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:24,050
I wouldn't say that to your child or to your spouse.

1094
00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:25,430
Again, it depends who they are.

1095
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:27,370
Yeah. If you select your spouse,

1096
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:33,410
yes. This metaphor has fallen apart And your child,

1097
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:33,770
that one,

1098
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,090
that one is unconditional.

1099
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:37,700
He wouldn't say that to your dog.

1100
00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:41,210
Should we say you wouldn't say that to someone that you

1101
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:43,220
live when they need you to be supportive?

1102
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:45,170
So why are we doing that to ourselves?

1103
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:48,440
It's just strange because sometimes we can identify the thought process

1104
00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:51,110
processes, but we can't change them.

1105
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:54,410
And it's that interruption that we need to have a tool,

1106
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,580
a toolkit.

1107
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:57,350
And I started doing this.

1108
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:59,780
I've got a scrapbook upstairs again.

1109
00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:00,920
You guys can't see,

1110
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,990
but I just pointed it out scrapbook upstairs.

1111
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:07,400
I'm not a scrapbooker,

1112
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,770
that's not my vibe really.

1113
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:13,610
But I started doing like,

1114
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:14,720
not clippings,

1115
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,830
but kind of printed out some photos from my phone and

1116
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:22,460
kind of went through a whole period of my life and

1117
00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:25,550
just put in kind of not just the good stuff.

1118
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:27,290
So it was the bad stuff as well.

1119
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:28,020
So say like my,

1120
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:30,530
my granddad died in January last year.

1121
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:33,140
My other granddad died in may last year.

1122
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:35,240
So I can go to the Mayfield cause we were in

1123
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:37,970
lockdown and you weren't allowed to,

1124
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:40,820
but I did go to the January one and we planted

1125
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:42,530
a tree and there's a photo that we had on my

1126
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:45,410
phone of us planting this monkey puzzle tree that his growth.

1127
00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:47,810
So it's really random,

1128
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,180
sorry, this is good.

1129
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:51,470
This is like me.

1130
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:57,530
This is just normal pitches and then not all positive,

1131
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:59,900
but for every year I kind of picked like eight to

1132
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:03,800
10 images and just printed them kind of super small,

1133
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:06,260
nothing fancy and just stuck them in this book.

1134
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:11,750
So the spread is a year of life and I did

1135
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:13,790
it at the start of last year.

1136
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:18,530
So 2020 didn't have a spread and it was really,

1137
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:22,100
really good experience because I could look through it and I

1138
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:23,720
didn't just see the highlight reel.

1139
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:24,620
So I didn't just see,

1140
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,770
oh, this is all of my successes that I've had because

1141
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:29,030
that's great.

1142
00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:31,160
And I think it's good to look back and remember those

1143
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,400
things, but I don't think that necessarily helps when you're in

1144
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,800
a really low space.

1145
00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:40,630
What can help is seeing the bad times that you've gone

1146
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:45,850
through and now stronger because of so having that balance because

1147
00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:47,470
life is never going to be all good.

1148
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:48,340
It's never going to be,

1149
00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:49,390
but then at the same time,

1150
00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:50,500
it's never all that.

1151
00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:53,530
There's always good to find in every situation.

1152
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,360
So I've,

1153
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,260
I then,

1154
00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:56,590
you know,

1155
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,580
started this year,

1156
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,260
did 2020,

1157
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,640
and that was weird.

1158
00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:01,090
Cause it was like,

1159
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,100
I had to do it for the,

1160
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:04,770
yeah, Here's my kitchen.

1161
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,910
Here's my living room.

1162
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:07,290
Here's more of My kitchen.

1163
00:39:07,710 --> 00:39:11,430
Exactly. When some things from like YouTube or something from,

1164
00:39:11,550 --> 00:39:12,360
from the awards,

1165
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,740
but there was also like some,

1166
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,140
like some bad things as well in that it wasn't all

1167
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:17,100
great. I mean,

1168
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:18,420
I don't think of a troll comment,

1169
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:22,470
but I probably should have like,

1170
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:22,650
you know,

1171
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:25,620
my granddad's tree and most of them looked down things.

1172
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:26,100
It was like,

1173
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:27,900
cause we got married just after look down.

1174
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:30,270
So my dress fittings wore like in a mask with social

1175
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:31,500
distancing, with the seamstress,

1176
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,490
which is interesting.

1177
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,060
Try and pin you into a dress while sexually distance,

1178
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:42,960
these pitches and it's memories,

1179
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,380
isn't it.

1180
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:46,440
And I think if we're in a bad place,

1181
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,110
we only remember the words and if we're in a good

1182
00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:49,770
place or if,

1183
00:39:49,770 --> 00:39:50,850
when like an okay place,

1184
00:39:50,850 --> 00:39:54,630
we only remember the good things and we can be in

1185
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:57,450
a comparison spiral with other people on the internet.

1186
00:39:57,450 --> 00:39:57,990
And it's like,

1187
00:39:58,470 --> 00:40:00,960
I know people compare themselves to me and I know that

1188
00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:03,600
and there's nothing I can do to stop someone from comparing

1189
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,560
themselves to me.

1190
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,920
But everybody sees most of the time,

1191
00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:09,000
my good stuff.

1192
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:11,940
Everybody compares the dogs to my dogs for example,

1193
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:15,000
but they don't see my dog chasing after a DHEA and

1194
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:16,410
full fields away.

1195
00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:18,330
Cause I'm not going to put that on a YouTube video.

1196
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:23,610
It's never going to be all good and all that.

1197
00:40:23,610 --> 00:40:26,250
But most of social media is everybody's old.

1198
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:32,370
Good. So also somebody else is the grass is always greener,

1199
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,770
was kind of where I was going to then that like,

1200
00:40:34,830 --> 00:40:38,940
I, I get really emotional when I see children on other

1201
00:40:38,940 --> 00:40:41,910
people's feeds like other people's children on their feet because I

1202
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:45,240
still have not been successful in that department,

1203
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:47,760
but we carry on.

1204
00:40:48,810 --> 00:40:49,830
But having that knife,

1205
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:52,950
I get really kind of upset and emotional about it because

1206
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,210
I can't have that.

1207
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:55,200
I don't have that.

1208
00:40:55,260 --> 00:40:56,970
And I want that.

1209
00:40:56,970 --> 00:40:59,250
And I know that that's kind of an extreme example,

1210
00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:59,850
but I think it,

1211
00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:02,250
a lot of people would look at me and go,

1212
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,800
I wish I had everything that she had and I'm sat

1213
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,280
here going,

1214
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,160
I wish you just had your child a bit creepy,

1215
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:08,760
but you know what I mean?

1216
00:41:09,330 --> 00:41:10,500
I know what you mean.

1217
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:11,870
Yes. Yeah.

1218
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:17,790
It's, it's so easy to look and just want to trade

1219
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:21,780
places with whoever your happened to be looking at because you

1220
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:22,590
just have no idea,

1221
00:41:22,590 --> 00:41:26,670
but literally every single person has different trials and tribulations that

1222
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:30,030
they go to and sometimes you know about them and a

1223
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:30,960
lot of times you don't,

1224
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,650
so you just,

1225
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,460
you have no idea what's going on under the surface.

1226
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:39,150
Yeah. And I think we will kind of make these judgements

1227
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:40,000
so pitchers about,

1228
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:41,050
about people,

1229
00:41:41,110 --> 00:41:41,980
other photographers,

1230
00:41:41,980 --> 00:41:44,710
a lot of the time and they could be really negative

1231
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:45,820
and really damaging.

1232
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:47,650
And I think that if,

1233
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:51,730
if you saw something in a photography form,

1234
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:53,200
again, you just can't,

1235
00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:54,310
there's just no good place to be.

1236
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:56,920
Is that still something in it?

1237
00:41:57,430 --> 00:42:01,240
It was a Facebook group and it was actually really nice.

1238
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:06,610
Somebody, another photographer had been slating this photographer that was posting

1239
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,840
for something that they did.

1240
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,020
There were a newborn photographer and they did poses in props.

1241
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:13,210
And this other photographer didn't do poses in props.

1242
00:42:13,210 --> 00:42:15,940
But we're saying that people who do poses with props,

1243
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:16,810
a bad,

1244
00:42:17,290 --> 00:42:17,980
that, you know,

1245
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:19,210
dangerous, that,

1246
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:19,450
you know,

1247
00:42:19,450 --> 00:42:20,650
taking advantage of the child,

1248
00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:21,220
you know,

1249
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:22,000
all sorts of stuff.

1250
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:24,790
And it was interesting that the comments into that weren't like,

1251
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:25,510
what an idiot,

1252
00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:27,310
why would they say something like that?

1253
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,760
All the people commenting just said the same thing and that

1254
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:32,800
if you have to pull somebody else down,

1255
00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:33,520
you have to pick,

1256
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,640
pick holes in somebody else to make yourself feel good,

1257
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,640
or look good in a business sense or in a personal

1258
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,400
sense that says more about you than it does about somebody

1259
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,310
else. But I think it's very easy for us to,

1260
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:47,590
and I think everybody's guilty of this.

1261
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:49,630
I don't think there's a single person on the planet that

1262
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:51,640
isn't, I'm happy to be proven wrong,

1263
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:57,160
but a genuinely joke that we all look at other photographers

1264
00:42:57,220 --> 00:43:01,840
work and we will sometimes just pick faults in it for

1265
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,400
the sake of picking folks in it.

1266
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:09,400
Exactly. And I think that's really bad,

1267
00:43:09,610 --> 00:43:13,870
but I also think it's now so natural that it's really

1268
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:14,950
difficult to get out of,

1269
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:15,370
but if,

1270
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:18,850
if everybody can really just check themselves and be like,

1271
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:19,210
hang on.

1272
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:20,850
That was,

1273
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:23,530
wasn't very nice thing to think that wasn't a very nice

1274
00:43:23,530 --> 00:43:24,220
thing to say.

1275
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,680
I mean,

1276
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,260
I sit in here on different zoom calls and whatever people,

1277
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:31,120
I don't know if you guys have a different word for

1278
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,600
over there,

1279
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:32,800
but bitching,

1280
00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:39,160
do you about other people behind that box?

1281
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:40,610
Listen to it.

1282
00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:41,740
And I just think Jesus,

1283
00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:46,440
this must be what they do to me like this,

1284
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:47,110
this happened to me.

1285
00:43:47,110 --> 00:43:50,650
And then I find myself bitching and I'm not that I'm

1286
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,910
Jenny. I know some people say that,

1287
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:53,920
but I'm genuinely not that kind of person.

1288
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,510
And Dan,

1289
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:57,810
my husband and I was on the phone and I was,

1290
00:43:57,910 --> 00:44:00,610
I was partaking in this conversation.

1291
00:44:00,610 --> 00:44:04,150
So therefore I was encouraging and he just looked at me

1292
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:07,390
like with this look of sheer disapproval,

1293
00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:07,720
it was like,

1294
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:08,620
when your parents were like,

1295
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:10,090
I'm not angry,

1296
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:11,830
I'm just disappointed in you.

1297
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,660
And he looked at me and I just,

1298
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:14,470
I was like,

1299
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:15,250
well, and then I was like,

1300
00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:18,250
oh, I literally said,

1301
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:19,330
I'm really sorry.

1302
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:24,460
I, I don't feel comfortable joining in this conversation and just

1303
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,840
basically changed the subject.

1304
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,550
But I think it's so easy for us to go down

1305
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:28,360
that rabbit hole,

1306
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:32,790
join into a Instagram group message or WhatsApp message or Facebook

1307
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:34,170
group or YouTube comment.

1308
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,330
There's just no meat for it,

1309
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,050
you know?

1310
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:37,790
No. Yeah.

1311
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:40,430
And I think it's something that it's other people are doing

1312
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:41,150
it. So you're like,

1313
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:42,410
oh, and then like,

1314
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,840
I think there's some kind of like subconscious brain,

1315
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,070
like you're part of that group.

1316
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:49,820
So you're like part of this like group and then we're

1317
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:51,140
this really tight group,

1318
00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:56,420
but at the expense of somebody else and nothing positive comes

1319
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:57,110
from that.

1320
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:58,880
And yeah,

1321
00:44:58,910 --> 00:45:01,070
it's just the company,

1322
00:45:01,070 --> 00:45:01,490
you keep it.

1323
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:02,990
So, Yeah.

1324
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:03,770
And I think if you,

1325
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:08,150
if you partake in negativity like that in any aspect of

1326
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:08,510
your life,

1327
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:12,470
it's not just in it's in anything,

1328
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:15,500
but you will find that the more you partake in that

1329
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:20,780
negativity, the more negative your general mindset will become because instead

1330
00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:22,220
of looking for the good in things,

1331
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:25,280
you're looking for the bad all the time and then that,

1332
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:26,660
that translates to yourself.

1333
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:28,220
So I think,

1334
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:29,150
I know it was really difficult.

1335
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:31,910
I know it was a bit unicorns and rainbows and stuff,

1336
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:34,490
not wrong with unicorns and rainbows,

1337
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:38,630
but can we just try and see the good in situations?

1338
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:42,650
You'll find that then when you get hit with really tough

1339
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:46,010
times, you will be able to see the positive in that

1340
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:51,260
situation. And that can be really pretty and for your resilience.

1341
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:54,200
And it's strange how something so simple,

1342
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,970
just not bitching or not.

1343
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:57,770
It meant even thinking,

1344
00:45:57,830 --> 00:45:59,810
yeah, that's not a good picture because of X,

1345
00:45:59,810 --> 00:46:04,280
Y is that there is obviously limits and barriers to all

1346
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:04,880
of these things,

1347
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,200
but in general,

1348
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,770
tough, right.

1349
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,230
That can be really helpful and healing.

1350
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,260
And I think also it's good to acknowledge that you've done

1351
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:15,770
it. You don't necessarily need to tell that person that you'd

1352
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:18,650
be bitching about that you've been bitching about them because sometimes

1353
00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:22,100
that's going to make the situation worse most of the time

1354
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:23,540
that will make the situation wise,

1355
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:24,200
but you can go,

1356
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:24,440
you know,

1357
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,570
okay. That wasn't cool that wasn't okay.

1358
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:29,630
And that didn't help them and it didn't help me.

1359
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:32,390
So let's not do that again.

1360
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:36,200
Yeah. You have to acknowledge the situation of what you love

1361
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:36,860
your behavior,

1362
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:37,220
you know,

1363
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:38,600
just even to yourself,

1364
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:39,140
like you said,

1365
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:42,080
you don't have to publicly stand up and tell everybody,

1366
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,910
but just to mentally say to yourself,

1367
00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:44,540
oh, whoa,

1368
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,160
what am I doing here?

1369
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:49,850
And to be able to make a decision to not act

1370
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,450
that way.

1371
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,630
Yeah. And I think it's tough because I think throughout school,

1372
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:53,990
You know,

1373
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:54,380
high school,

1374
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:55,610
oh my gosh,

1375
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:57,530
my daughter's in middle school now.

1376
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:58,280
And it's just like,

1377
00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:00,410
they get more than two girls together.

1378
00:47:00,410 --> 00:47:00,890
And you're like,

1379
00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:01,910
huh, exactly.

1380
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,460
It's so normalized through everything through media,

1381
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:08,750
through films,

1382
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:10,040
through whatever it might be.

1383
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,610
It's so normalized that it's really difficult to see that it's

1384
00:47:13,610 --> 00:47:15,530
actually a really unhealthy behavior.

1385
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:18,800
I'm sure there's an evolutionary reason for us some point on

1386
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,360
it. I think it's more of a tribal thing.

1387
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,510
You know,

1388
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:21,560
you feel like you fit in,

1389
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,830
somebody starts that conversation off and then you go down that

1390
00:47:24,830 --> 00:47:26,180
rabbit hole and it's,

1391
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,490
it's a bit like the comparison one in that it's never

1392
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:31,570
going to end in good place in a good place.

1393
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:34,690
But if you train your brain to see things negatively and

1394
00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:35,890
pick the negatives,

1395
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:36,730
then that's,

1396
00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:38,560
that's what you'll also do to yourself.

1397
00:47:40,980 --> 00:47:43,700
Yeah. I think one of the most the,

1398
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:44,670
the easiest,

1399
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:47,670
but so many people think it's too easy to do.

1400
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:49,920
Anything is even just to get in a little bit of

1401
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,090
a gratitude practice,

1402
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:54,180
like as cheesy as it sounds to have a little notebook.

1403
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:56,190
And like even every night before you bed go to bed,

1404
00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:58,890
write three things that you're grateful for for that day or

1405
00:47:58,890 --> 00:48:00,270
three things that went well.

1406
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Something like that,

1407
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,100
that you're proud of can make a drastic change.

1408
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:07,290
I know there's scientific studies of how many days you have

1409
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:09,540
to do it until it actually starts rewiring your brain.

1410
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,490
But I think a lot of people here and it sounds

1411
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:12,690
too simplistic and they're like,

1412
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:13,720
oh, I,

1413
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,480
it won't actually make a difference.

1414
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:17,400
I think it's it's.

1415
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:19,230
I think it's also good to look back on,

1416
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,650
on the,

1417
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:20,000
you know,

1418
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:21,930
the toughest parts of your life.

1419
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Because I think,

1420
00:48:22,650 --> 00:48:26,010
I think most people have had some form of a disaster

1421
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:27,480
at some point and,

1422
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,430
and some people maybe more than half of hit what most

1423
00:48:32,430 --> 00:48:36,000
people would classify as rock bottom at least once.

1424
00:48:36,450 --> 00:48:38,670
And I think it's good to look back at those times

1425
00:48:38,670 --> 00:48:40,950
as well and see,

1426
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,950
okay, so this happened and it was really tough.

1427
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:45,510
What was the positive?

1428
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:47,670
Because there was always a positive that comes out of that.

1429
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,240
And if you can go back to the worst possible times

1430
00:48:51,330 --> 00:48:51,990
in your life,

1431
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:54,180
the worst moments,

1432
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:57,930
and you can find the positives in that then next week

1433
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:59,850
when your client annoys you,

1434
00:48:59,850 --> 00:49:00,990
because they do something,

1435
00:49:01,050 --> 00:49:01,440
you decide,

1436
00:49:01,450 --> 00:49:01,980
you know what,

1437
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:03,780
I'm sure there's a positive in here somewhere.

1438
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:06,330
And then you find the positive and then things start to

1439
00:49:06,330 --> 00:49:07,920
become less tough.

1440
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:11,100
You start to be a little bit calmer and just realize

1441
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:12,930
that it is always going to be ups and downs,

1442
00:49:12,930 --> 00:49:15,000
but in every situation there is always going to be a

1443
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,880
positive. And I think that's really important.

1444
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,660
I just know about the,

1445
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:19,890
I don't know,

1446
00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:22,470
Chinese proverb about the mum with the farmer,

1447
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:23,280
with the holes.

1448
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:27,630
No. Oh good.

1449
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:30,540
Is this like,

1450
00:49:30,570 --> 00:49:31,230
this is probably,

1451
00:49:31,230 --> 00:49:33,510
but I'm not going to try and like do it word

1452
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:33,870
for word.

1453
00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:38,190
Well, I've not had enough wine.

1454
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,140
I don't want any wine by the way.

1455
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:43,260
Although probably you might think different,

1456
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:46,110
but I know the,

1457
00:49:46,290 --> 00:49:48,960
this problem basically is about this farmer and his horse.

1458
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,620
So it lives in,

1459
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:52,110
in somewhere in the middle of nowhere.

1460
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,640
And he,

1461
00:49:53,970 --> 00:49:57,600
one day his horses escaped and the neighbors like all that

1462
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,350
such bad luck,

1463
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:59,040
this is really,

1464
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:00,930
really bad news for you.

1465
00:50:00,930 --> 00:50:02,160
I'm so sorry.

1466
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,060
What are you going to do?

1467
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:04,710
And he just said maybe,

1468
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,910
maybe, and the next day the horses there was somehow came

1469
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:11,880
back and they brought with them some new horses,

1470
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,870
like some wild horses.

1471
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:14,790
And they came back and the neighbors like,

1472
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:15,780
oh, that's amazing.

1473
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:16,090
You've got,

1474
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,250
you've got more horses now.

1475
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:18,480
That's, that's such good luck.

1476
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:18,960
And he was like,

1477
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,580
maybe. And then the next day that the son was trying

1478
00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:25,230
to ride one of the horses,

1479
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:26,100
the wild horses,

1480
00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:26,940
and he fell off and he,

1481
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:27,530
his leg,

1482
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:27,770
do you know,

1483
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:28,700
I'm doing this really well,

1484
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:34,130
but what actually was riding this,

1485
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,920
trying to ride this horse and he fell off and he

1486
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:37,700
broke his leg.

1487
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:38,270
And then he was like,

1488
00:50:38,300 --> 00:50:38,630
oh my God,

1489
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:39,500
that's such bad luck.

1490
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:40,550
Or what is he gonna do?

1491
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:41,540
He's not gonna be able to work.

1492
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:42,590
And the farmer said,

1493
00:50:42,830 --> 00:50:44,780
maybe, maybe right.

1494
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:48,170
And the next day the army came,

1495
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:50,990
the military came and they were taking the young men to

1496
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:52,310
the wool and they sold the farm,

1497
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:54,290
his son who had a broken leg and he was left,

1498
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:55,880
but everybody else's sons would taken.

1499
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,280
And the neighbors were like,

1500
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:58,750
oh my God,

1501
00:50:58,970 --> 00:50:59,800
what good look,

1502
00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:00,140
you didn't,

1503
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:02,270
he didn't get taken you so lucky you must be so

1504
00:51:02,270 --> 00:51:04,700
happy. And the pharmacy said maybe,

1505
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:07,280
and so it kind of goes on and on.

1506
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,540
And every situation you can either ride the rollercoaster,

1507
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:12,140
or you can just say,

1508
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:13,490
take a step back and just think,

1509
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:13,760
you know,

1510
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,020
this is this the end of the world.

1511
00:51:15,110 --> 00:51:17,660
Probably not the best thing that's ever happened.

1512
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:18,410
Yeah. It might be,

1513
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:19,580
but it also might be a disaster.

1514
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,350
And I know that's morbid,

1515
00:51:22,010 --> 00:51:25,940
but having that kind of just backup and don't immerse yourself

1516
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:28,760
in it quite so much can be really refreshing as well

1517
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,320
to just get a new perspective and just think,

1518
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:30,560
you know,

1519
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:34,490
what would the farmer with the host maybe.

1520
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,400
Yep, exactly.

1521
00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:37,040
Yeah. And I,

1522
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,270
I find it sometimes helpful to just,

1523
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:39,970
you know,

1524
00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:40,840
remind myself,

1525
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,050
you know,

1526
00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:43,300
everything always has been fine.

1527
00:51:43,330 --> 00:51:44,350
Like everything has,

1528
00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:45,460
I'm still here,

1529
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,820
so it's all worked out and it will continue to work

1530
00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:50,830
out for however it's supposed to work out.

1531
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:51,910
And, you know,

1532
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:56,260
my responsibility is just to try to approach each day in

1533
00:51:56,260 --> 00:52:00,760
each challenge in a way that is proactive.

1534
00:52:00,790 --> 00:52:02,530
And plus the word I'm looking for,

1535
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:03,730
not beneficial,

1536
00:52:03,730 --> 00:52:05,440
but something that's more helpful.

1537
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,040
So like what,

1538
00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:08,200
in any situation like you were saying with the,

1539
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:08,500
you know,

1540
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:09,580
the horse proverb,

1541
00:52:09,580 --> 00:52:09,970
it's like,

1542
00:52:10,330 --> 00:52:11,500
oh, this is really bad.

1543
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:12,190
This is really good.

1544
00:52:12,190 --> 00:52:12,970
Because as humans,

1545
00:52:12,970 --> 00:52:14,920
we want to label everything as bad and good,

1546
00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:16,540
but it really just is.

1547
00:52:17,110 --> 00:52:19,600
And how we interpret it is up to us.

1548
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:23,140
Definitely. And I think he touched on something a little earlier

1549
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:25,150
in terms of the wheel are alone,

1550
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:30,100
which means that we all have our selves for company.

1551
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:36,580
Sometimes that's not ideal for one's mental health outside of very

1552
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:39,100
posh. I know I'm from England and I sound posh,

1553
00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:43,540
but thing one in a sentence is not as formal.

1554
00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:48,730
I do have some tape,

1555
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:53,920
but I'm not going to drink that right now in terms

1556
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,840
of the loneliness thing.

1557
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,860
I think that was really tough.

1558
00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:58,390
I, I had my,

1559
00:52:58,450 --> 00:53:02,770
my assistant came last Thursday and to his side of the

1560
00:53:02,770 --> 00:53:05,800
table here and we're going through some stuff and she she's

1561
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,120
really open about her mental health.

1562
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,680
I've always been very open about,

1563
00:53:08,770 --> 00:53:09,700
about mine.

1564
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:12,370
And that's really useful because it means that if I'm having

1565
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:12,820
a bad day,

1566
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:13,210
I can just say,

1567
00:53:13,210 --> 00:53:14,050
look, I'm having a really,

1568
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:18,220
really rough day and she'll immediately understand and know what to

1569
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:19,540
do and the same in reverse.

1570
00:53:19,810 --> 00:53:21,850
And she was here and I said,

1571
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:22,000
you know,

1572
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,200
I'm just really struggling.

1573
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,440
She said,

1574
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,920
you putting too much pressure on yourself and you doing this.

1575
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,850
And she was basically being my amazing therapist for the time

1576
00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:31,800
that she was here and was supposed to be doing a

1577
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,550
business meeting.

1578
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,940
And actually I had therapy for free from somebody who's not

1579
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:36,480
a therapist,

1580
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,200
but it'd be great.

1581
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:40,670
And, and she was here and she was saying this,

1582
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:41,190
anyone should,

1583
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:41,540
you know what,

1584
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:43,530
I think you've been in this room for too long.

1585
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:44,730
You're, you're here,

1586
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:46,050
you're in this for too long.

1587
00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:49,650
You need to not just get out and be by yourself.

1588
00:53:50,910 --> 00:53:53,250
You need to just do some other stuff,

1589
00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:56,550
do something that you used to really enjoy or try new

1590
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:57,930
things that you might really enjoy.

1591
00:53:58,380 --> 00:54:00,570
And you've been in this room for over a year,

1592
00:54:01,050 --> 00:54:02,760
not obviously end to end,

1593
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:06,390
but I I've described it today to the client that came

1594
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:11,310
for the sales session because I do know a region kind

1595
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:14,040
of, kind of reasonably well through other circles.

1596
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,780
So she's does dog agility.

1597
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:17,700
So I know her through that.

1598
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:20,040
And so she knows dogs.

1599
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:21,570
So he said,

1600
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:22,160
oh, BB,

1601
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:22,440
you know,

1602
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,390
working from home throughout like the whole thing.

1603
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:24,720
And I said,

1604
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:25,710
yeah, this is my crate.

1605
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:31,800
She's just like,

1606
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:32,820
I guess it is,

1607
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,490
this is my,

1608
00:54:36,930 --> 00:54:37,920
and I'm in my cage.

1609
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,100
And I think I'm just going to be doing like a

1610
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,800
little bit mad with my crate training is wearing off and

1611
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:47,430
I need to go explore the wild world a little bit

1612
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:50,570
more Richmond in that great interaction.

1613
00:54:50,590 --> 00:54:51,030
Like you said,

1614
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:51,270
you know,

1615
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,050
all about online ones are usually immersed in these groups that

1616
00:54:55,140 --> 00:54:57,090
potentially are helpful,

1617
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:57,870
but you know,

1618
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,190
all the time,

1619
00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:59,670
you know,

1620
00:55:00,540 --> 00:55:02,430
all of the time and I've got photography,

1621
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:05,250
friends, but I also have non photography friends.

1622
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:06,930
And when I'm really,

1623
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:07,830
really low,

1624
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:10,560
although I can speak to my photography friends for kind of

1625
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,910
like direct support and they can relate to that situation.

1626
00:55:15,090 --> 00:55:19,000
And my non photography friends are sometimes the best because they

1627
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:23,100
just take your mind off of it and they completely take

1628
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:24,120
you into a different world.

1629
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,640
And, and also it's those people that think that you're a

1630
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,500
wizard, like actually a mythical creature because of your skills with

1631
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:33,060
a camera and Photoshop or whatever it is.

1632
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:35,970
So actually being around them is great because you can say

1633
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:36,330
to them,

1634
00:55:36,330 --> 00:55:36,540
you know,

1635
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:37,470
our, and I,

1636
00:55:37,590 --> 00:55:39,270
I think I really screwed up the shoot today.

1637
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:40,500
It didn't go well,

1638
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,150
I got my lights and Rog and they're like,

1639
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:44,880
what? That's impossible.

1640
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,480
You're like amazing the best I've ever seen because they don't

1641
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,650
going in these circles.

1642
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,480
See, Instagram's highlight reel of the best dope photographers in the

1643
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,470
world because they don't go and follow dope photography.

1644
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:00,830
Right. Right.

1645
00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:03,330
That's really useful because it just gives you a little bit

1646
00:56:03,330 --> 00:56:06,030
of perspective client.

1647
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:08,100
Isn't going to be looking at my work.

1648
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:10,130
Exactly. That's what I was just going to say.

1649
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,830
Our clients are not following the best dog photographers in the

1650
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:13,400
world either.

1651
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,870
So when we have this,

1652
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:15,470
oh my gosh.

1653
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:16,880
They're not going to think it's good enough.

1654
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:18,260
They're going to love it because it's there.

1655
00:56:18,830 --> 00:56:19,790
Yeah, exactly.

1656
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:22,460
Like I was freaking out earlier on this week and I

1657
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:22,760
was just like,

1658
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,030
what was,

1659
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:23,890
if you know,

1660
00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:24,820
they don't like it.

1661
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:27,640
What I'm saying I want my doing is that they'll go

1662
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:28,590
cry anyway.

1663
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,290
The reveal,

1664
00:56:29,290 --> 00:56:37,660
like, what are you doing this for?

1665
00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:38,410
What are you doing?

1666
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:39,670
Are you doing it for those other dogs?

1667
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:43,270
Tofus who are you doing this bull?

1668
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,420
And I think it's it's perspective in that,

1669
00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:47,650
oh my goodness.

1670
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:49,900
They are not going to see somebody else's work.

1671
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,430
Then I'm going to be looking at that way.

1672
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:52,990
They might've seen a picture and gone on.

1673
00:56:52,990 --> 00:56:55,630
It's really nice to do something like that.

1674
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,930
They don't mean recreate it to the nth degree.

1675
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,660
They just take a picture of the dog and a flower.

1676
00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:06,250
It's the floral pictures recently.

1677
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:10,570
I saw a blue bell the other day and I got

1678
00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:11,440
so excited.

1679
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,340
Like there's no,

1680
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,220
I can't do a blue bell pitcher with one blue bell

1681
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:22,510
cloned boots.

1682
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:28,390
It's just so true.

1683
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:30,940
Just, just give yourself a break.

1684
00:57:31,090 --> 00:57:32,500
It's easier said than done though.

1685
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:33,420
And from,

1686
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:35,530
from the research that we did last year,

1687
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:39,250
we know that over 50% of the photographers that we polled

1688
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:42,700
have got markers for what would be classified as a mental

1689
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:45,010
illness, such as depression or anxiety.

1690
00:57:45,130 --> 00:57:46,030
And it was interesting,

1691
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:49,300
actually, one of the questions in the study,

1692
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:51,700
the report was I think it was,

1693
00:57:51,730 --> 00:57:55,150
did you move into photography as a positive life change?

1694
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:58,990
And because we had everybody's answers to previous questions about whether

1695
00:57:58,990 --> 00:58:00,730
they would diagnose with a mental illness,

1696
00:58:00,730 --> 00:58:03,490
whether they had that previously,

1697
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:04,870
or whether it's a recent one,

1698
00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:05,770
you know,

1699
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:06,280
and all that.

1700
00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:08,620
And it was interesting that the,

1701
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,490
the vast majority of people who said that they had a

1702
00:58:12,490 --> 00:58:14,740
diagnosed mental illness,

1703
00:58:14,740 --> 00:58:15,880
mental health condition,

1704
00:58:16,090 --> 00:58:19,210
the vast majority of those also said that they moved into

1705
00:58:19,210 --> 00:58:21,220
photography as a positive life change.

1706
00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:25,120
And then those people also said that they still experienced the,

1707
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:26,890
you know,

1708
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,680
markers, their symptoms as it were in terms of that.

1709
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,080
And so we need to maybe just take a step back

1710
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,970
and think that number one,

1711
00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:38,080
if I'm feeling like that more than half of the other

1712
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,380
people feeling like that for a start in that you're just

1713
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:42,130
not alone.

1714
00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:43,690
Even if you think you are,

1715
00:58:43,690 --> 00:58:44,740
because no one talks about it,

1716
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,780
most people feel like that.

1717
00:58:47,180 --> 00:58:49,240
I know also there is no gender.

1718
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:50,500
There is no race.

1719
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:52,900
There is no geographic location.

1720
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:55,810
There was no age where that was not true.

1721
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:58,780
It was the same across the board in terms of how

1722
00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:59,620
people felt.

1723
00:59:00,430 --> 00:59:03,160
And I think that's really interesting because I think sometimes men

1724
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,960
don't feel like they've got the permission to be,

1725
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:06,460
you know,

1726
00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:07,870
say the feeling low or whatever,

1727
00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:12,460
but actually the men that I know and speak with regularly,

1728
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,490
not necessarily mental health advocates by any stretch,

1729
00:59:15,490 --> 00:59:17,440
like propping that slots most of the time.

1730
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,930
But if you actually have a direct conversation with them and

1731
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:20,770
probe them on it,

1732
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:22,970
nearly all of them have imposter syndrome.

1733
00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:27,560
Nearly all of them feel anxious about sharing the work Navy,

1734
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:28,340
all of them do.

1735
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:30,200
So there's no gender difference,

1736
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,790
which I think is a big stereotype.

1737
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:35,420
That race difference.

1738
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:37,100
There's no age difference.

1739
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:38,270
Cause I thought age as well,

1740
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:39,590
I thought age would be like a big one.

1741
00:59:39,590 --> 00:59:45,710
I can that the much older generations I'm nearly 30.

1742
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:46,790
So that's my age.

1743
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,640
But the much older generations,

1744
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,820
I thought that they would have less of an issue,

1745
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:54,140
you know,

1746
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:59,680
because of just because we're all snowflakes and yeah.

1747
00:59:59,780 --> 01:00:01,340
Yeah. And you've been here longer.

1748
01:00:01,470 --> 01:00:03,700
Do you think you'd be more secure in who you are

1749
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:07,810
and relationships It's clear across the board.

1750
01:00:07,810 --> 01:00:13,600
And it was really hard to read those responses like it,

1751
01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:17,680
cause some of them were like written responses and some of

1752
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:18,910
them were really tough.

1753
01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:20,890
Like there were over 500 and it was just,

1754
01:00:21,010 --> 01:00:23,740
it was really hard to read some of them.

1755
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:26,770
But the best thing for me was that Jesus Christ,

1756
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,340
I'm not alone.

1757
01:00:28,780 --> 01:00:30,130
It's not just me.

1758
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,200
And that feed interest made it somehow easier to manage and

1759
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,240
that this is clearly something that we're all kind of dealing

1760
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,570
with. So what can we all do?

1761
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,490
And what can the trade do?

1762
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:42,820
You know?

1763
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,320
The, the industry day to try and shift this.

1764
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,850
And I think it will be a slow process,

1765
01:00:48,850 --> 01:00:52,420
but I think the more that people talk about the tough

1766
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:53,650
sides of it and more,

1767
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,100
the more that people talk about dealing with negativity and dealing

1768
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:58,180
with trolls,

1769
01:00:58,180 --> 01:00:58,830
for example,

1770
01:00:58,830 --> 01:01:03,760
people like me sat like 1:00 AM how to deal with

1771
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:05,800
trolls. Like me searching YouTube.

1772
01:01:05,830 --> 01:01:07,150
Like how do I deal with trolls?

1773
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:08,350
How do you reply to trolls?

1774
01:01:08,830 --> 01:01:10,000
What'd you how'd you deal with Trump?

1775
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,580
I'm like my mutual such history this week is like,

1776
01:01:12,730 --> 01:01:14,380
how do I deal with imposter syndrome?

1777
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:15,220
How do like,

1778
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:18,100
honestly, I just,

1779
01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:19,360
I spoke to my fault.

1780
01:01:19,390 --> 01:01:20,680
I'm feeding the algorithm,

1781
01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:24,940
but everybody has the insecurities.

1782
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:25,930
Everybody does.

1783
01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:27,100
There is nobody,

1784
01:01:27,460 --> 01:01:29,950
unless you are a narcissist or sociopath,

1785
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,230
there is nobody or psychopath.

1786
01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:35,290
Either of those interchangeable,

1787
01:01:36,130 --> 01:01:36,970
one of the above.

1788
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:38,290
I see you,

1789
01:01:38,290 --> 01:01:40,120
all, one of those people,

1790
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,710
you have insecurities,

1791
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:42,850
you will feel low,

1792
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:44,470
you will feel good.

1793
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:45,550
You will feel also happy.

1794
01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:47,410
You will feel all of these different things.

1795
01:01:47,410 --> 01:01:49,510
And that doesn't mean that you're bad.

1796
01:01:49,570 --> 01:01:51,190
Doesn't mean that you're a bad person.

1797
01:01:51,220 --> 01:01:52,300
It just PNC here,

1798
01:01:52,330 --> 01:01:53,770
human. Yeah.

1799
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:54,880
And I think people,

1800
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:58,630
Yeah. I think people need to give themselves sometimes the permission

1801
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:59,230
to feel them.

1802
01:01:59,230 --> 01:02:00,130
Cause like you said too,

1803
01:02:00,130 --> 01:02:03,370
especially for men that maybe they feel like they're not allowed

1804
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,420
to feel that way.

1805
01:02:04,690 --> 01:02:06,430
And I think even women will do that too,

1806
01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:06,940
where it's like,

1807
01:02:06,970 --> 01:02:08,950
oh, I know I'm supposed to be positive.

1808
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:10,780
So I'm not allowed to feel this emotion,

1809
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,680
but we know what I'm saying to try to reframe it.

1810
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,450
It doesn't mean that you can't feel it.

1811
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:16,990
You know,

1812
01:02:16,990 --> 01:02:17,350
you can,

1813
01:02:17,530 --> 01:02:18,790
you can feel that emotion,

1814
01:02:18,790 --> 01:02:22,320
but You know,

1815
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:23,130
but yeah.

1816
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:23,430
And then,

1817
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:24,090
like you say,

1818
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:27,870
acknowledge it's that I try and identify why it's that?

1819
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:31,530
And then try and identify either a,

1820
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,890
what you can do to kind of combat that situation.

1821
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:38,850
What I would call kind of either eliminate it or manage

1822
01:02:38,850 --> 01:02:41,880
it. So w one or the other and make a plan

1823
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:43,130
to do something different.

1824
01:02:43,140 --> 01:02:44,430
And I'm,

1825
01:02:44,580 --> 01:02:47,400
I am a firm believer that if you write down stuff,

1826
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,330
right, I don't,

1827
01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:49,260
I'm not a journaler.

1828
01:02:49,590 --> 01:02:50,370
I have tried.

1829
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:51,720
It's just not,

1830
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,040
I've got about 4,000

1831
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:59,490
journals pages written in guilty,

1832
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:03,350
look at my books,

1833
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:07,610
but even like go back and just miss a few pages

1834
01:03:07,610 --> 01:03:08,600
and try and start again.

1835
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:13,430
Oh my goodness is so bad.

1836
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:14,720
But I called these journals and I,

1837
01:03:14,740 --> 01:03:15,440
I, I'm not,

1838
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:16,400
I'm not a journal.

1839
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:17,120
It's just not,

1840
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,590
it's just not who I am,

1841
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,000
but I do give myself permission to feel awful.

1842
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,730
And, and I,

1843
01:03:25,810 --> 01:03:28,400
and I always try and work out why,

1844
01:03:29,420 --> 01:03:32,690
what has brought me to this point most of the time

1845
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,160
it's because I'm just really tired.

1846
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:38,150
Everything is worse when you're tired.

1847
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,190
Everything's also worse when you're hungry,

1848
01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:42,350
if you're hungry or tired,

1849
01:03:42,350 --> 01:03:42,770
just go.

1850
01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:43,850
So the Outfest.

1851
01:03:45,350 --> 01:03:45,710
But yeah,

1852
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:47,630
most of the time for me,

1853
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,610
I know that I feel a lot worse than I,

1854
01:03:49,820 --> 01:03:53,720
I take things more personally and it also a lot more

1855
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,820
vulnerable and less resilient when I'm tired.

1856
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,140
So for me,

1857
01:03:57,140 --> 01:03:59,210
it's really important that I try and get my sleep and

1858
01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:01,400
try and manage my sleep and get as good sleep as

1859
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,520
possible. But it's obviously not always that simple,

1860
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:05,870
but in terms of,

1861
01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:06,650
for me,

1862
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:09,020
I will also come when it was,

1863
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,550
I think it was last week,

1864
01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:13,880
I felt so low and I was just like a comp

1865
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:17,900
I think I was just really tired,

1866
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:20,960
but then there was other stuff playing in and other commitments

1867
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,780
that I'd signed up largely this isn't going to be healthy

1868
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:24,140
for me.

1869
01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:25,340
This isn't a good planet.

1870
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,350
And then do you back out or do you not?

1871
01:04:27,350 --> 01:04:28,280
Because then you,

1872
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:32,000
like, you're leaving people in the lunch or all of these

1873
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:32,900
like mental things,

1874
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,570
again, just going and raising wastes,

1875
01:04:35,570 --> 01:04:35,900
Angela, like,

1876
01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:36,050
you know,

1877
01:04:36,050 --> 01:04:36,800
I'm just go to bed.

1878
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:40,670
And thankfully that was an option for me,

1879
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:41,030
you know,

1880
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:42,770
and the lifestyle that I have.

1881
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:43,580
And then I can just say,

1882
01:04:43,610 --> 01:04:44,060
do you know what?

1883
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:45,020
I'm just going to turn everything off.

1884
01:04:45,020 --> 01:04:45,830
I'm just going to go to bed.

1885
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,780
I go get stuff done.

1886
01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:52,610
Do we have anything that is absolutely so urgent that we

1887
01:04:52,610 --> 01:04:53,690
can't say,

1888
01:04:53,900 --> 01:04:56,480
okay, I'm going to take care of myself right now.

1889
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:57,230
Whether you know,

1890
01:04:57,230 --> 01:05:00,500
whether it's food or sleep or just a little self-care of

1891
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:02,570
like, take your mind off it and go read a book

1892
01:05:02,930 --> 01:05:04,850
about something that you find enjoyable.

1893
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:06,080
Yeah, yeah.

1894
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:06,830
You just say,

1895
01:05:06,860 --> 01:05:08,270
I think so self care is,

1896
01:05:08,380 --> 01:05:09,530
is, is important.

1897
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:13,190
And everybody has their own kind of stuff that,

1898
01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:15,350
that as Rachel,

1899
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:21,340
my assistant and part-time would say is that they like fill

1900
01:05:21,340 --> 01:05:22,150
your jar up.

1901
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,960
So if your jar is empty and you're feeling really low,

1902
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:28,360
go and fill your jar up with things that bring you

1903
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,690
joy things that make calm things that add to your resilience

1904
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:34,930
levels, and that could be singing really loud.

1905
01:05:34,930 --> 01:05:36,130
It could be going and having a bath.

1906
01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:37,390
It could be walking the dog,

1907
01:05:37,420 --> 01:05:38,680
it could be painting.

1908
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:41,950
It could be reading it doesn't genuinely do the muscle,

1909
01:05:41,950 --> 01:05:42,520
what it is.

1910
01:05:43,030 --> 01:05:45,160
But if one of your reasons for feeling low is that

1911
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,270
you're lonely,

1912
01:05:46,540 --> 01:05:47,470
which I think is,

1913
01:05:47,530 --> 01:05:51,430
is a common one for us because sometimes we're,

1914
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:54,880
we're only around our dependence in terms of kids or,

1915
01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:55,600
you know,

1916
01:05:55,810 --> 01:05:57,250
family members or whatever it might be.

1917
01:05:57,430 --> 01:06:00,790
Oh, we're only around people that were live with,

1918
01:06:00,970 --> 01:06:02,380
in which case there's those tensions,

1919
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:05,350
because there are tensions then how much anyone says that it's

1920
01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:07,060
perfect to live with somebody else.

1921
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:10,930
If you live with someone else leaving the toilet seat up,

1922
01:06:11,020 --> 01:06:11,800
for example,

1923
01:06:11,860 --> 01:06:12,250
you know,

1924
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,110
so there's always going to be these,

1925
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:15,010
these different things.

1926
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:17,800
I think if that's the situation that you're feeling,

1927
01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:19,270
you could feel trapped,

1928
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:20,470
you could feel isolated.

1929
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:21,400
It doesn't matter what you,

1930
01:06:21,550 --> 01:06:22,150
what you feel.

1931
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:23,920
I often sometimes feel claustrophobic.

1932
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:25,240
And that sounds really strange,

1933
01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:27,130
but I just feel like everything's just getting a bit too

1934
01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:28,930
much. It's like all just getting a bit close.

1935
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:30,600
And in those situations,

1936
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:33,190
one of the best things that you can do is go

1937
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:37,510
and socialize with someone else that's not in your household,

1938
01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:39,940
which only see as being next to impossible for the last

1939
01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:41,860
year because of coronavirus.

1940
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:44,050
But there are still ways of doing that.

1941
01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:45,550
You could go for a walk,

1942
01:06:45,550 --> 01:06:49,030
but stay far apart or whatever it might be just being

1943
01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:50,920
around. Other people is really helpful.

1944
01:06:51,010 --> 01:06:53,140
I've really enjoyed this week because it's been the first week

1945
01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:56,980
I'd been out shooting and doing sales sessions and a sense

1946
01:06:57,340 --> 01:06:58,600
to the start of coronavirus.

1947
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,180
Really the first one has been like a,

1948
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,220
like a proper full on week.

1949
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:04,780
And yeah,

1950
01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:06,940
I was super nervous because it's been so long.

1951
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,050
So I remember how to use this thing,

1952
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:13,080
all the books,

1953
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:17,400
How do I change this ISO thing?

1954
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:21,030
Well, what's going on my exposure really bright.

1955
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:22,290
It's just like,

1956
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,000
I can't look at obviously this.

1957
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:24,780
And you know,

1958
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:26,250
again, I did make some mistakes.

1959
01:07:26,250 --> 01:07:27,660
I think everybody makes mistakes.

1960
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:29,820
Every photographer makes mistakes.

1961
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,580
Yeah. And I think every session that I shoot,

1962
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:34,440
literally everyone,

1963
01:07:34,980 --> 01:07:37,320
I don't know if there's ever been one where the student

1964
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,480
happened, where I came home and uploaded my images.

1965
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:40,200
And I wasn't like,

1966
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:41,820
oh, I should have done that too.

1967
01:07:42,030 --> 01:07:42,990
Yeah, definitely.

1968
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:45,240
I think it all the time it was playing on it.

1969
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,230
I'm a student here.

1970
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:47,610
I was teaching in person,

1971
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,280
which was so nice because that's something as well that I've

1972
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,240
just not done.

1973
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:54,420
Well, it didn't mean to have to really clean.

1974
01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:55,110
Well, I didn't,

1975
01:07:55,110 --> 01:08:00,090
I think Dan did most of the supervised that situation,

1976
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,280
but this student came around this guy really nice guy.

1977
01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:08,520
He was there for the full day or part of the

1978
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,180
day. We was,

1979
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:11,640
we were at the table and he was on his laptop

1980
01:08:12,030 --> 01:08:13,530
and we were working on his stuff.

1981
01:08:14,250 --> 01:08:15,710
I can't remember what was,

1982
01:08:15,710 --> 01:08:18,860
but I turned around and moved to the Mac,

1983
01:08:18,860 --> 01:08:19,280
the iMac,

1984
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:19,670
just to,

1985
01:08:19,790 --> 01:08:20,690
just to do something.

1986
01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:23,180
And there was photos up from the day before,

1987
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:24,140
which was a test shoot.

1988
01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:26,720
And there were enlight removes all the rural files,

1989
01:08:26,780 --> 01:08:28,850
a completely unedited straight out of camera,

1990
01:08:28,850 --> 01:08:29,120
you know,

1991
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:30,260
just straight out.

1992
01:08:30,260 --> 01:08:32,240
And in my defense,

1993
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:35,570
they want as badly as exposed as my normal images are

1994
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:37,640
because I always underexposed.

1995
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,150
I think it's historically a personal preference to just go and

1996
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:43,340
say the highlights to the nth degree.

1997
01:08:43,730 --> 01:08:45,380
But these actually weren't that bad.

1998
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:47,210
It was a super bright day to be fair.

1999
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:50,750
Anyway, these rural files came up on the screen and it

2000
01:08:50,750 --> 01:08:53,570
was like the light room gallery view.

2001
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:56,780
So he could see maybe 12 on the screen.

2002
01:08:56,900 --> 01:08:58,400
And none of them were being called.

2003
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,420
They're just swirled straight.

2004
01:08:59,420 --> 01:08:59,870
They're off the,

2005
01:09:00,650 --> 01:09:02,840
I need just to remind just any sort of pause for

2006
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,170
a second,

2007
01:09:03,170 --> 01:09:04,970
as I'm trying to like find the mouse and,

2008
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:05,360
you know,

2009
01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:07,560
get to whatever we needed to look at.

2010
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:07,940
And he was like,

2011
01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:09,320
wait, I said,

2012
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:09,920
what? And he said,

2013
01:09:12,980 --> 01:09:14,020
Associa. He said,

2014
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:15,800
it looked like mine.

2015
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:19,700
I'm like,

2016
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:21,140
what are you expecting here?

2017
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:26,930
What will you expect?

2018
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:27,320
Then? I was like,

2019
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,300
yeah. I was like the good course.

2020
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:29,840
They do.

2021
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,880
I think a lot of people too.

2022
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:34,330
They're like,

2023
01:09:34,610 --> 01:09:35,830
I always hear people,

2024
01:09:35,860 --> 01:09:36,430
oh man,

2025
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:39,520
I was taking action photos and I can't get them all

2026
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:40,510
in focus like,

2027
01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:42,250
well, do you have some and focus like,

2028
01:09:42,250 --> 01:09:43,540
yes. Great.

2029
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,600
Not all of mine are in focus.

2030
01:09:46,900 --> 01:09:50,950
I think there's only been one time where I've had a

2031
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:51,970
dog run,

2032
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:52,210
you know,

2033
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:52,810
full pout,

2034
01:09:52,810 --> 01:09:54,160
straight out like a proper,

2035
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,600
faster, not like a steady dog,

2036
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,880
like fast dog running straight at you.

2037
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,270
And there's only been one time that I've got every single

2038
01:10:01,270 --> 01:10:03,100
shot of a full burst.

2039
01:10:04,270 --> 01:10:06,340
And that was on a Canon one DX,

2040
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,500
like the most expensive at the time.

2041
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:09,970
It was like the most expensive,

2042
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:11,560
it was a good few years ago.

2043
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:15,550
It weighed about four heavy,

2044
01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:17,590
but it nailed,

2045
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:18,610
it, nailed all of them.

2046
01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:19,270
And I was just like,

2047
01:10:20,170 --> 01:10:20,950
that was amazing.

2048
01:10:21,580 --> 01:10:22,750
But I don't want that.

2049
01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:26,590
I don't think it's too heavy When you put that 70

2050
01:10:26,590 --> 01:10:27,430
to 200 on it.

2051
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,660
Yeah. And it was like,

2052
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,170
I use a student's camera and I is to just like,

2053
01:10:32,170 --> 01:10:32,350
you know,

2054
01:10:32,350 --> 01:10:33,610
I can't seem to get this bit right.

2055
01:10:33,610 --> 01:10:33,910
And I was like,

2056
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:34,620
Hey, let me know.

2057
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:35,410
Let me have a go.

2058
01:10:35,410 --> 01:10:36,160
And I was like,

2059
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:36,880
this is epic.

2060
01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:39,190
Like you I'm so jealous,

2061
01:10:39,190 --> 01:10:40,720
but also not because of the weight,

2062
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:43,600
but that was the only single time.

2063
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,410
And I reckon that,

2064
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:45,370
you know,

2065
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:48,610
I'd been working on a shoe and the dog hadn't run

2066
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:50,200
exactly perfectly straight.

2067
01:10:50,710 --> 01:10:52,810
There is no way that that would have all been focused.

2068
01:10:52,810 --> 01:10:54,640
And it was funny.

2069
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:54,880
I was,

2070
01:10:54,980 --> 01:10:56,830
I was on the sheet the other day and this guy

2071
01:10:58,090 --> 01:11:00,460
didn't know how to use a camera.

2072
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:02,260
Didn't know how to do anything.

2073
01:11:02,290 --> 01:11:02,830
He was like,

2074
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:05,080
oh, I just bought a Sony camera.

2075
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:07,030
And I thought that it would take good pictures,

2076
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:07,750
but it doesn't.

2077
01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:08,470
And I was like,

2078
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:09,070
I was like,

2079
01:11:09,070 --> 01:11:11,110
okay, what Sony camera do you have?

2080
01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:11,980
And he said,

2081
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:14,160
I have the<inaudible> three.

2082
01:11:15,210 --> 01:11:15,420
I was like,

2083
01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:15,840
I'm sorry,

2084
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,560
but how much you use it?

2085
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,180
Anyway, he had this,

2086
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,980
this camera and he genuinely did not know how to use

2087
01:11:25,980 --> 01:11:27,900
it, but he was expecting that because it was a good

2088
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,000
cause. And he said,

2089
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:32,430
well, it says it's got animal IAF,

2090
01:11:32,460 --> 01:11:34,710
but it doesn't seem to be getting them in focus when

2091
01:11:34,710 --> 01:11:35,610
they run towards me.

2092
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:36,000
I'm thinking,

2093
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,240
you know,

2094
01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:38,220
if he's on auto and I'm like a sport mode,

2095
01:11:38,370 --> 01:11:41,100
it should get maybe a couple because it will be a

2096
01:11:41,140 --> 01:11:43,650
deep depth of the field and be such a small aperture

2097
01:11:43,980 --> 01:11:45,300
in those situations.

2098
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:46,830
Cause they just wrapped the ISO don't.

2099
01:11:46,830 --> 01:11:48,330
They just have it on auto.

2100
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,230
And I was like,

2101
01:11:49,230 --> 01:11:49,590
do you know what,

2102
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:50,310
actually, no,

2103
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:51,720
I, I don't find,

2104
01:11:51,810 --> 01:11:55,170
I F I find it amazing nearly all of the time,

2105
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:56,280
but it's perfect.

2106
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,580
Right. You still have to have a level of skill that

2107
01:11:58,630 --> 01:12:00,000
you still have to have that practice.

2108
01:12:01,350 --> 01:12:02,610
Even on the Sony 89,

2109
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,140
you don't get every single photo in perfect focus.

2110
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:08,160
It just doesn't happen.

2111
01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:09,060
But I think maybe,

2112
01:12:09,090 --> 01:12:12,660
maybe we should people who were being watched for that photography,

2113
01:12:12,930 --> 01:12:14,370
for lack of a better description,

2114
01:12:14,610 --> 01:12:16,140
should maybe share that oops.

2115
01:12:16,140 --> 01:12:19,680
Mall, like the moments more because then maybe other people wouldn't

2116
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,720
feel so bad for making it.

2117
01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:23,040
I don't know.

2118
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:23,760
I know I shot,

2119
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:25,650
I shot some of the shoot the other day,

2120
01:12:25,710 --> 01:12:27,630
like stupid shit to speak.

2121
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:29,100
Well, it was an action shift to speed,

2122
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:32,130
which also meant it was an action ISO in a very

2123
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:32,910
dark word,

2124
01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:35,400
but the dogs would definitely stationary.

2125
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,000
So it's like those situations I look back in Chicago,

2126
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:39,990
dumb it,

2127
01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:44,550
but you know,

2128
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:44,880
when you like,

2129
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,660
so in the moment I do not All the time.

2130
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:52,820
Yeah, totally forgot to change my settings there And post that

2131
01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:55,520
to like Instagram or YouTube or something in the settings of

2132
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,930
that. Everybody comes at me like,

2133
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:58,130
well moving.

2134
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:59,720
So why did you shoot that?

2135
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:00,080
And I'm like,

2136
01:13:00,980 --> 01:13:04,010
I don't care what the setting is it sharp?

2137
01:13:04,100 --> 01:13:05,000
Is it well exposed?

2138
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,290
Great. Right.

2139
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:07,700
Yeah. Yeah.

2140
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:08,330
And you know,

2141
01:13:08,330 --> 01:13:10,100
just depending on how much you have to pull it up

2142
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:11,870
and is there that light noise that you have to deal

2143
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:12,980
with and all that kind of stuff,

2144
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:13,550
but yeah.

2145
01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:14,360
A hundred percent.

2146
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:16,940
Yeah. This conversation has been so,

2147
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:20,180
so good.

2148
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,070
It's all things that people need to hear.

2149
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:24,050
I think you and I could talk on about all this

2150
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:27,440
stuff for like days I can provably kid.

2151
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:29,030
What was that about?

2152
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:30,140
Good sleep that you wanted.

2153
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:32,270
Cause it's now like almost eight 30 your time.

2154
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:33,740
So we're going to go till midnight.

2155
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:34,820
No, Ian,

2156
01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:36,770
yet I need to go and eat some things.

2157
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,050
I need to go prep for the shoot tomorrow.

2158
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:39,380
I've got,

2159
01:13:39,650 --> 01:13:39,830
you know,

2160
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:43,400
when you just don't put anything on charge for everything on

2161
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:50,480
Chuck, everything out there.

2162
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:51,350
All of my strobes,

2163
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:51,830
the dead,

2164
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:52,940
I know they all are.

2165
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:56,450
I know that I've got stuff in the attic,

2166
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:59,120
the loft that you guys have lost.

2167
01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:00,410
Well, attic,

2168
01:14:00,410 --> 01:14:04,490
we call it attic Is like a living space.

2169
01:14:04,490 --> 01:14:05,060
It's open.

2170
01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:06,470
So like we have a loft in our house,

2171
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:07,760
but it's just like a couch,

2172
01:14:07,820 --> 01:14:09,140
like on the top of the steps is just kind of

2173
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:10,130
like an openness room.

2174
01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:11,920
We would not to be in my lap,

2175
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:15,970
You know,

2176
01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:16,600
going up there,

2177
01:14:16,610 --> 01:14:18,490
I've got like loads of stuff because this is such a

2178
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:19,540
teeny tiny house.

2179
01:14:19,540 --> 01:14:19,990
But yeah.

2180
01:14:20,770 --> 01:14:22,420
So if I need to like put stuff in storage,

2181
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:24,460
it goes up and the loft in the ethics.

2182
01:14:29,650 --> 01:14:29,950
But no.

2183
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,940
Yeah. Sorry.

2184
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,500
I, I do tend to talk.

2185
01:14:33,010 --> 01:14:33,610
It's All good.

2186
01:14:33,610 --> 01:14:34,510
It's been so good.

2187
01:14:34,510 --> 01:14:35,140
It's been so good.

2188
01:14:35,140 --> 01:14:36,460
And I think so many people,

2189
01:14:36,730 --> 01:14:41,290
at least half will completely identify with all of the things

2190
01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:41,890
we talked about.

2191
01:14:42,190 --> 01:14:46,990
At least something in that rumble was useful for someone because

2192
01:14:46,990 --> 01:14:47,950
if it was then great,

2193
01:14:47,950 --> 01:14:48,490
we've done good.

2194
01:14:48,730 --> 01:14:49,360
Yeah. No,

2195
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,420
I think it was because truly all of us battle with

2196
01:14:52,420 --> 01:14:53,290
one of these things.

2197
01:14:53,290 --> 01:14:54,730
So we talked about at some point,

2198
01:14:54,940 --> 01:14:56,350
so thank you.

2199
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:56,740
Thank you.

2200
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:57,430
Thank you again,

2201
01:14:57,430 --> 01:15:00,640
Jessica, let us know again where everybody can find you online

2202
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,710
if they want to follow you,

2203
01:15:02,710 --> 01:15:05,530
but be nice obviously because we're the hair of the dog

2204
01:15:05,530 --> 01:15:08,680
community and we're nice Going to be nice.

2205
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,840
And then I'm not interested.

2206
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:14,530
You find me on the route,

2207
01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:16,870
is this kind of the main hub of everything?

2208
01:15:17,020 --> 01:15:20,110
So that photography spots not always about dogs,

2209
01:15:20,110 --> 01:15:21,400
but most of the time,

2210
01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:28,960
so on that is the main place where we're at.

2211
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:30,430
Okay, perfect.

2212
01:15:30,670 --> 01:15:32,080
Thank you again for being here with us,

2213
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,090
Jessica and everybody else.

2214
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,020
We'll see you next Week.

2215
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:36,190
Thanks guys.

2216
01:15:36,820 --> 01:15:38,770
Thanks For listening to the hair of the dog podcast.

2217
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:40,750
If you want to check out the show notes for access

2218
01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:42,970
to any of the links that we shared in this episode,

2219
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:45,070
as well as any additional resources,

2220
01:15:45,100 --> 01:15:47,050
this was episode number 75.

2221
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:52,240
So simply go to www.hairofthedogacademy.com/seven

2222
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:57,030
five. Thanks for listening to this episode of hair of the

2223
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:57,960
dog podcast.

2224
01:15:58,500 --> 01:15:59,760
If you enjoyed this show,

2225
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,590
please take a minute to leave a review.

2226
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,670
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2227
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:04,170
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2228
01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:06,450
So you don't miss our upcoming episodes.

2229
01:16:06,990 --> 01:16:07,680
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2230
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:10,770
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2231
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2232
01:16:16,770 --> 01:16:19,860
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