Best Of - Location Scouting Secrets with Charlotte Reeves

IN THIS EPISODE:

#115 - If you've been in the pet photography world for any length of time, you're no doubt familiar with the amazing Charlotte Reeves, an award-winning dog photographer and educator based in sunny Brisbane, Australia.

A master of working with natural light, Charlotte joins me in this week's episode to talk about choosing session locations, making the most out of them, and why we'll all want to move to Queensland after listening to this episode. (Kidding! You won't need to, cause you'll learn to uncover amazing locations right in your own backyard.)

What To Listen For:

How where you live affects your shooting style
Tips for discovering awesome new photography locations in your market
The importance of a location guide in helping clients understand what to expect
How much variety you need in a location, and how to make the most of what's there
An exercise to stretch your creative muscles and work on shooting more variety

Episode bonus: Charlotte's fantastic Working with Natural Light foundation course is available for Hair of the Dog listeners at half price! Use the code HODpodcast to save yourself fifty bucks, and learn the fundamentals of light that will elevate your work and guide your session flow.

Resources From This Episode:

Charlotte Reeves Photography
Unleashed Education (home of RealShoots, the daily tip series and so much more)
Working With Natural Light course (don't forget the HODpodcast code!)
Toggl, Harvest and Sunseeker apps

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Full Transcript ›

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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.

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I'm Nicole Begley.

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And today we are bringing you a best of series.

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We are reaching in to the archives and we are bringing

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you the best of location scouting secrets with Charlotte Reeves.

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This was originally way back in episode number 17,

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and it was an incredible conversation that I had with my

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friend, Charlotte,

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about how to get the best out of our locations,

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how to find our locations and really just all things,

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location scouting.

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You're going to love it.

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So go ahead and stay tuned.

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Come to the hair of the dog podcast.

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If you're a pet photographer,

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ready to make more money and start living a life by

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your design,

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you've come to the right place.

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And now your host,

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pet photographer,

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travel addict,

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chocolate martini connoisseur,

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Nicole Begley.

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Hey everybody,

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Nicole here from hair of the dog and I am here

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with the one and only Charlotte Rees from Charlotte reuse photography

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and learn pet photography down in Brisbane,

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Australia. Hey Charlotte,

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thanks for joining us today.

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Hey, Nicole.

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Awesomely. Happy to be here,

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right? Yay.

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So Charlotte and I are good friends.

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We've been teaching the Barkus series.

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So Barcelona bark,

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Lander bark,

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Zealand, all the bark is me,

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her and Kaley Greer started those it's been four years.

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Can you believe it's been before?

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I cannot believe it's been that long.

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It's crazy since the first one,

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but yeah.

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And we're actually supposed to be in Scotland right now,

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which is very,

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very sad Then eventually.

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Yes, yes.

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So yeah,

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so Charlotte and I,

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yeah, I've been teaching together and then we worked together a

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lot in hair of the dog.

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She is a coach in our elevate program and also in

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the academy does the critique corners every month where people get

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feedback on their images.

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And so,

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yeah, so I work really closely with Charlotte and she is,

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I must say a master of the art of pet photography

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when, especially harnessing natural light and really any situation.

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Yeah. You're so welcome.

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It's so beautiful and dreamy and warm.

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Yeah. So I guess Charlotte,

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tell us a little bit about your background and how you

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stumbled into this whole pet photography world.

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Sure. Well,

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it was 13 years ago now,

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so it was sort of 2007 and I I'd studied photography

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after I left high school.

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college when I left high school.

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I did landscape photography and I photographed cars cause I was

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into cars back then and it never really dawned on me

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to photograph pets or animals or anything like that.

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wedding photographer.

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I knew I didn't ever like photograph people.

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design and website design.

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graphic designer.

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I think it's the story for so many people.

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Dane called Kayla.

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year. So as you know,

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great Dane start out kind of,

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well, even that actually start out quite large as well for

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puppies, but they started and know that first year for sure.

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from a smallish kind of puppy into like this very,

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very large dog.

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submitted some photos to the daily puppy,

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which I don't know if it exists anymore.

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to my blog and I ended up then I ended up

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sort of wanting to,

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delve back into photography a little bit more.

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get back,

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get back into the swing of things with photography.

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I eventually just ended up taking lots of photos of her

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oh, I dunno if I wonder if I can do something

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Erin vape and she also had a foreign great Dane and

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she was a pet photographer and I found her online and

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wow, this is actually a thing.

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you know,

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cause it never really,

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At least one other person.

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I couldn't really find anyone who was doing it in Australia,

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other than people who were doing it in studio and even

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not like only pets in studio kind of pets in studio

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in addition to other things that people in the studio as

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well. So anyway,

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I figured if she was doing it,

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I could do it.

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I ended up just starting a business of,

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of being a,

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and I've mainly just called it dog photography back then being

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a dog photographer.

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it just kind of all built from there,

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but it was,

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it was kind of felt like a bit of a pioneering

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thing at the time because there was no one else doing

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it. And I feel like I had to do so much

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education of people that this was actually a thing.

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I think a lot of people it's funny because depending on

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their perspective,

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they can look at,

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okay, I'm in a city with a whole bunch of other

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pet photographers as,

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oh my gosh,

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there's so many pet photographers.

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I'm never going to get any work or,

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look at all these other pet photographers.

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That means there's a lot of work here.

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a thing,

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because I think it's still,

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it's, it's better now in 2020 than it used to be

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that people are not totally flabbergasted.

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That pet photography is a thing some are,

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obviously still some people that are like,

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you're a what,

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Right. But you had back when you started,

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you had to educate the entire marketplace that this was a

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thing, plus then get them to,

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see the value in it.

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it was a bit of a struggle really,

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but I think also people,

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because it was such a new thing,

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it was,

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it kind of captured people and engage them and they were

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kind of like,

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oh, that's really cool.

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I haven't heard of that before.

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had that edge over other things or other styles of photography

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as opposed,

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but it eventually got there and then more,

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it became more popular over the year,

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years and more pet photographers started sort of popping up.

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because I wanted to,

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wanted to let people know that I could do,

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cats and horses and all that sort of thing as well.

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It's funny because kind of now I've gone back to pretty

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much just dogs.

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I've done,

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I've done the full circle.

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I started out as a dog photographer and then went through

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pets and now I'm like,

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no, I'm just going to kind of specialize in what I,

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what I know and what I'm really good at and what

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I enjoy.

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lot of people that are just doing,

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horses or there's even a few photographers out there who are

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just doing cats,

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niche. And I think that gives people an edge as well.

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Yeah. That's a good,

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yeah, Absolutely.

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I just spoke with them.

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I just did a podcast with Shelley Paulson is yeah.

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An amazing equine photographer and yeah.

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I think comes down to following your,

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your heart and your passion and what you really love to

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photograph. And,

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you know,

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you can make a niche in any of those spots.

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Yeah. And if you've got the passion for it and the

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more that you do it,

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actually the more knowledge and skills you have in that particular

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tiny little niche and the better you get at it,

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rather than sort of specializing in a number of things you

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truly specialized in one,

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she gets a big advantage of Yeah,

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absolutely. And then you can have all your marketing,

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all your websites,

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all your images,

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all your messaging,

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all go towards that one thing.

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It just makes life so much easier.

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It's actually,

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it's amazing.

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The number of times you see,

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you know,

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you hear about a,

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like a new pet photographer joins the group or contacts you

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and you go to their website or you go to their

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Instagram or whatever.

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a few dogs and stuff's there,

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but it's all mixed in with babies and kids and weddings

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and all that sort of thing.

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And you're like,

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oh man,

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that's just like such a mixed messaging kind of thing Because

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all the target markets are so different.

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Like if I'm abroad,

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don't want to see babies and you know,

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if I'm a newborn,

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I don't want,

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you know,

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or a mom of a newborn,

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I don't want to see someone's cat or dog.

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So yeah.

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Definitely want to be able to separate that experience.

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Yeah. And I think that's also how some people fail to

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get the followers,

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the social media followers that they really want to get it's

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because their,

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their Instagram account or whatever,

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isn't specialized enough and people don't follow.

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Cause they're like,

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oh, I really like their dog photos,

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but I don't really want to see babies all the time

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as well.

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So I won't bother following them.

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You know?

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So the more specialized you are and your social media as

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well, the more likely people will follow you because it's that

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one particular thing that they're really interested in.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely. Nice.

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Yeah. So when you,

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so you've started with about 13 years ago,

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and then you had your graphic design and web design,

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which by the way,

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are like the most just fantastic commingling of skills to run

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a photography business because It's super handy.

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I know,

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I know I am not graphically gifted,

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so I definitely hire out for all of that,

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but what a great skill to have for,

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for all of those things.

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Oh, it comes,

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it really comes in handy being able to do all that.

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It really does.

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It's the best combination,

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especially when it comes to like creating,

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learning resources.

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And even my books that I did pals at Brisbane,

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like I designed all that and wrote all that and laid

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it all out.

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And so my graphic design background really came in handy there.

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And then,

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yeah, I guess with anything marketing related or anything like that.

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Yeah. It's good to have that knowledge,

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I suppose.

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Yup. Yup.

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If you don't have that knowledge out there,

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you can always outsource it.

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Like I do.

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That's exactly right.

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Yes. It's not a requirement.

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It's just a handy thing.

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Definitely. Yeah.

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I always like to say things either cost time or money,

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that's going to either cost you money to have someone do

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it or a lot of time to figure it out.

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But like when I started,

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I didn't know anything about web design,

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so I made my own website.

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Was it the most beautiful thing?

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No. Did a job.

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Yes. You learn more and you,

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yeah. And you tweak it and then eventually have enough money

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to invest,

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to have somebody actual professional.

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That makes all the difference too.

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Yeah, For sure.

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Absolutely. So,

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yeah. So you are in like one of the sunniest places

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on the planet.

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I used to live in Pittsburgh,

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which I've seen,

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I've seen conflicting reports,

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but the most recent one I saw,

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which was the cloudiest city in the United States.

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We have more Connie days than Seattle.

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I mean,

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cause it literally becomes cloudy around early November and you don't

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really see the sun again,

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even now my mom's back up there now and she's like,

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oh my God,

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it's raining almost every day where it's just like cloudy,

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clouded, cloudy until like June.

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So you have a couple of months of intermittent sun,

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not every day where now I live in Charlotte and it's

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sunny here a lot.

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So I almost finding that,

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oh my gosh,

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my, my style's almost changing here.

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And you and I have had conversations about where you live

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and how that might affect your style because I mean your,

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your styles.

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So backlit and sun drenched and beautiful and mine has become

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like more like,

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I really love to use the architecture and like the city

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vibes and it's like kind of monochromatic and yeah,

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Definitely a product as a sort of light that you have

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to work with.

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It's a huge contributor.

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Like I often think if I,

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cause I love Scotland,

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if I would have somehow grown up in Scotland and started

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in Scotland,

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I think my style would be completely different.

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I think it would be quite,

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you know,

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moody and dark and dramatic.

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And I might be using,

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you know,

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off camera flash more to create some,

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some life and interest in my images.

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Whereas I don't use it at all where I live here

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because I don't need to.

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I, I feel I don't need to.

387
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Right. You have so much light to work with.

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We have a lot of sunny day,

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so I actually don't even shoot on a cloudy day.

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So if I have a client session scheduled,

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I watch the weather forecast.

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And if there's more than say 70% cloud forecast for that

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afternoon, I will reschedule.

394
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And it's just basically I have a cloud buzzy.

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I love that you guys have a cloud forecast,

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These things.

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I actually have a massive,

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probably like most photographers that work at those and my massive

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weather nerd as well.

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So I pay,

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I pay extra for a subscription for a weather website that

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actually gives me all this data that I use to decide

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whether to go ahead with a session or not.

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I think I have seven weather apps on my phone,

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Hopefully Downloaded in a,

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when we were in New Zealand.

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Cause we had some rain,

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we were trying to Dodge.

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So I downloaded one down there.

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It's still in Celsius.

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So that,

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one's my one that I'm learning what Celsius mean.

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I go there.

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That's helpful.

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Well, I'm still not real great on the Fahrenheit thing.

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There's a couple of reference temperatures like kind of understand,

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but yeah.

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And then you estimate everything else Just gets basically.

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Yeah, I love it.

420
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I love it.

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But yeah,

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no, I,

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I really educate my clients too.

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That that is something that I really need to have in

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my, in my sessions to be able to create the style

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that they see on my website.

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So it's not a surprise for them if we need to

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reschedule because it's cloudy because I've,

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I've told them at multiple points are up until the day

430
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that, you know,

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if there's more than 70% cloud on the forecast,

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we're going to have to reschedule to a sunny day.

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So I think that communication like being open with your communication

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with that sort of thing is really important as well.

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Just manage managing people's expectations,

436
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I suppose.

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So you're not dispensing lots of things on them and they're

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like, what are you kidding me?

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Why can't you show up when it's Yeah,

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no for sure.

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I think that that is 100% such an important part of

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our process is to make sure our clients know what's coming

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next and what the possibilities are and what our expectations are.

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And my kind of rule of thumb is anytime I have

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contact with the client,

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I always let them know when they'll hear from me again

447
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and what they can expect next,

448
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which is kind of an easy way to,

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to keep them in the loop.

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Definitely. So the night has never left wondering as to what

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the next point of contact or task or meeting or whatever

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is. Yep.

453
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For sure.

454
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For sure.

455
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Definitely. So when you started,

456
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did you always start with products or did you start with

457
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the shoot and burn?

458
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What was that?

459
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What was your beginning years like?

460
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Well, I actually never did shoot in Bern.

461
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I always did products.

462
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I think that's because I'm not sure why that is.

463
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I think,

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I think that's because when I did,

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when I studied photography,

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it was actually before digital,

467
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it was just before digital.

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So we had a couple of digital cameras when I was

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at college,

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but there were like two megapixel toys.

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Like they weren't a serious thing.

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So I guess I kind of right from the very start

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of my photography journey.

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Like I always had products in mind,

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like I always had,

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you know,

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prints and wall art and all that sort of thing in

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my mind.

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And I guess when I started my business,

480
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it was just natural to want to offer that to people,

481
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I guess,

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because I'd come from right at the very start,

483
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come from a film background where you don't really just hand

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over the negatives to people.

485
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Right. So I felt like the equivalent of like moving into

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digital, I still wanted to be able to offer people's tangible

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products. So I had a price list and it was just

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a single page price list.

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I had prints,

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I used to sell just loose prints.

491
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I've always sold canvases.

492
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And I think I used to sell things like a box

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set of prints and things like that.

494
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I've kept all my old price and they're always interesting to

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look back on,

496
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but I've also always offered people,

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digital files as well,

498
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because I know that that's something that I value highly and

499
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I like to have.

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So I figured that something that,

501
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that people like to have as well.

502
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So it's,

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it's always been right from the very start I've always offered

504
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both. Yeah,

505
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no I've loved offering digitals and as long as they're priced

506
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appropriately, like I think I've had in over 10 years,

507
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one client who purchased just the digitals,

508
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maybe two and that one I know is moving out of

509
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the country.

510
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So they get a pass.

511
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That's fine.

512
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But it's priced in that,

513
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you know,

514
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if they purchase just the digital,

515
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so I'm pretty happy.

516
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And then the digital is,

517
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it becomes a no brainer to like,

518
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oh, but I could spend really the same amount and get

519
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this beautiful product and add on some digitals.

520
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And it just,

521
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they, they get what they want.

522
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I'm selling them what I want to sell them and what

523
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I know they're going to enjoy for the longterm,

524
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because my biggest fear is I'll get those digitals and they'll

525
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sit in a,

526
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in a drawer forever and they won't actually get to enjoy

527
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them. So yeah.

528
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I feel like they,

529
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they work hand in hand,

530
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so Exactly.

531
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Yeah. And you can have the best of both worlds and

532
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,640
it's kind of a win-win for everyone,

533
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,210
I suppose.

534
00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,250
Yeah. I did actually used to do,

535
00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:45,380
as I had a bunch of different packages or used to

536
00:17:45,380 --> 00:17:47,900
offer, I'd been through so many different types of pricing.

537
00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:48,500
It's crazy.

538
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:50,220
Right. I did actually have,

539
00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:51,840
and this was a really good lesson for me to learn.

540
00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:54,810
I did actually have a package that was just the shoot

541
00:17:54,810 --> 00:17:58,260
and digitals and it was priced way too low.

542
00:17:58,290 --> 00:18:00,390
I think it was like four or 500 bucks.

543
00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:01,020
Something like that.

544
00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:02,730
It wasn't all the digitals.

545
00:18:02,730 --> 00:18:06,360
I think it was 20 digitals and the session and I

546
00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,350
was so busy.

547
00:18:07,350 --> 00:18:08,700
Like I've got so many bookings.

548
00:18:08,700 --> 00:18:09,750
I was so busy.

549
00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:12,060
And then I realized at some point that I just wasn't

550
00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:13,110
making any money out of it.

551
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,080
I was just way too many hours into,

552
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,700
into doing these sessions.

553
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,220
And it was walking away with the digitals and not buying

554
00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:20,910
anything. Cause my,

555
00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:22,560
it was always my aim to think,

556
00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:23,070
oh, okay,

557
00:18:23,070 --> 00:18:24,870
well I'll include the digitals in the session.

558
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:26,550
And then they can also,

559
00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:26,760
you know,

560
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,110
have the option to buy prints and stuff.

561
00:18:28,170 --> 00:18:30,540
And I didn't have things set up in such a way

562
00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:32,160
that made that easy for people.

563
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,660
So, and that was another mistake,

564
00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:34,110
I guess.

565
00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:34,710
So that was,

566
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:36,570
I actually learnt quite a lot doing that.

567
00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:37,110
And it was,

568
00:18:37,230 --> 00:18:39,420
I felt like if it was something I needed to actually

569
00:18:39,420 --> 00:18:42,960
go through to learn and to understand why that didn't work.

570
00:18:42,990 --> 00:18:44,430
So in a way it was kind of a good thing,

571
00:18:44,460 --> 00:18:46,290
I guess at the time,

572
00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:49,320
I think it's hard to realize,

573
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,210
cause you look at it on the surface and you're like,

574
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,710
oh, it's definitely profitable.

575
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:55,230
I have like no cost of goods and you know,

576
00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:57,620
it's couple hundred dollars and I just shoot and I edit,

577
00:18:57,630 --> 00:19:00,780
but then you start to look at how much time you're

578
00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:02,550
spending, which I know you,

579
00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:03,870
you are like a spreadsheet,

580
00:19:03,870 --> 00:19:05,250
numbers start as much as I am.

581
00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:08,070
Like we both geek out over productivity stuff.

582
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,420
So you track your time.

583
00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:11,760
Have you always been tracking your time for your clients?

584
00:19:12,270 --> 00:19:13,620
Maybe not right at the start.

585
00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:16,500
Yeah. I'm pretty sure around the same time as I was

586
00:19:16,500 --> 00:19:18,060
doing the digital packages,

587
00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:19,050
I started thinking,

588
00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:21,630
okay, I really need to start keeping track of the hours

589
00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:23,370
that I'm spending because it feels like a lot.

590
00:19:24,180 --> 00:19:27,000
And so I use a little app called harvest and it

591
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,970
just sits up in your menu bar at the top and

592
00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:32,430
you have jobs set up for each client and you just

593
00:19:32,430 --> 00:19:33,660
record the time that you spend.

594
00:19:33,660 --> 00:19:34,590
And from then on,

595
00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,870
I've always recorded the time that I spent for every single

596
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:38,820
client, just to make sure that I'm being profitable.

597
00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:40,260
It's so important.

598
00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:42,210
It's like your hours is it's,

599
00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:44,160
you can't ignore that information.

600
00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:44,460
You know,

601
00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:47,970
it's vital to actually working out if you're profitable and working

602
00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,650
out how much you should charge as well.

603
00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:50,700
Yup. Yeah,

604
00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:52,920
absolutely. And then you can see your,

605
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:53,220
you know,

606
00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:54,390
how many hours you've spent,

607
00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:55,770
how much your sale was,

608
00:19:55,770 --> 00:19:56,880
what your cost of goods sold,

609
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,220
where you can see your actual cost of goods sold like

610
00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:00,120
percentage wise.

611
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,280
And then you can break down that profit into how many

612
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,980
hours and see what your actual hourly rate you earned from

613
00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:05,760
that client was.

614
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,440
That was the important figure.

615
00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:09,000
Yeah. That's a really important one.

616
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,170
Yep. And then Average.

617
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,370
Yeah. Good.

618
00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:11,790
No, go ahead.

619
00:20:11,790 --> 00:20:14,640
You finish and then average out over a number of clients

620
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,280
and I guess that is more like your true hourly rate

621
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:17,820
as well.

622
00:20:17,820 --> 00:20:20,250
So cause it obviously varies between clients.

623
00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:20,970
Yeah. Yeah.

624
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:21,690
I was going to say,

625
00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:22,410
you have to add in,

626
00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:24,420
make sure you add in some time for like the admin

627
00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:25,680
tasks and things like that,

628
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,610
that you're not really,

629
00:20:26,790 --> 00:20:27,090
you know,

630
00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:29,400
but if you're tracking those two as a separate thing,

631
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,500
then you could really even look at a month or two

632
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:32,100
of data,

633
00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:34,830
add up all the hours you've worked for your business and

634
00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:37,290
then all the profits that you have and get a true

635
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,360
rate of your hourly rate.

636
00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:40,650
I think of a lot of people did that.

637
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,320
They'd be not pleasantly surprised.

638
00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:46,590
Yeah. Shocked.

639
00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:49,240
Yeah. It's amazing.

640
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,730
The time that you spend on all these little things that

641
00:20:51,730 --> 00:20:52,090
you don't,

642
00:20:52,090 --> 00:20:52,300
I mean,

643
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,090
I'll say I can spend the whole day to censoring emails.

644
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:56,740
Yeah. And it's,

645
00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:58,600
it's hard cause I love,

646
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,100
yeah. We love our business.

647
00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:00,820
So like,

648
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,120
I mean,

649
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,290
I love my business,

650
00:21:02,290 --> 00:21:05,920
but I also want to enjoy things outside of my business.

651
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,060
So, you know,

652
00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:09,070
it, it's so important to be able to,

653
00:21:09,130 --> 00:21:10,720
to keep an eye on that.

654
00:21:10,930 --> 00:21:12,220
There's another app too.

655
00:21:12,220 --> 00:21:15,700
There's harvest that you use and there's Toggl T O G

656
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:19,450
G L no E which I know toggles free.

657
00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:21,160
I think harvest has different levels,

658
00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:22,210
but yeah,

659
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,900
both great,

660
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,810
great things to,

661
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:25,060
to track time with.

662
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:26,470
So we definitely recommend that.

663
00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:28,000
Anything That makes it easy,

664
00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:30,400
so Yeah,

665
00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:30,970
for sure.

666
00:21:30,970 --> 00:21:32,530
Yeah. Whatever works into your workflow.

667
00:21:32,620 --> 00:21:36,370
Absolutely. So where I know you shoot all over and you

668
00:21:36,370 --> 00:21:39,130
have the beautiful,

669
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:45,370
wonderful beaches and gorgeous areas that are just open and lovely.

670
00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:47,440
Where's your favorite session location?

671
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:50,050
Oh, I probably debate,

672
00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:55,180
but just because it's like the beach on a sunny afternoon,

673
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:55,780
there's just,

674
00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:59,170
I, I feel there's so many possibilities for different ways.

675
00:21:59,200 --> 00:21:59,500
You can,

676
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,720
you can use the light and the variety that you can

677
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,660
get and using different lenses to create variety.

678
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,030
And, and the other thing is,

679
00:22:06,030 --> 00:22:09,040
is people and dogs just seem to be happy and carefree

680
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,730
at the beach.

681
00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:10,810
It's not as stressful.

682
00:22:10,810 --> 00:22:14,020
It's like a completely the opposite of a stressful place to

683
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:17,380
be, to de what's the word it's a very relaxing place.

684
00:22:20,110 --> 00:22:23,890
So people can feel a little bit pressured or something or

685
00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:25,780
a little bit out of their comfort zone.

686
00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:27,940
And if they just feel a little bit off,

687
00:22:27,970 --> 00:22:29,920
then that can kind of show in the photos and it

688
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,780
can pass to the dogs as well.

689
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:35,140
Whereas if people are relaxed and the dogs are having fun,

690
00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:36,400
you'd get a lot more,

691
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,340
a lot more chance of getting really nice expressions and,

692
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,210
and those sorts of things,

693
00:22:40,210 --> 00:22:42,580
which are really important for creating great photos as well.

694
00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:44,530
So I guess for number of reasons,

695
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,490
I love the beach.

696
00:22:46,150 --> 00:22:50,140
Nice. My second favorite location would definitely be the forest.

697
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,190
So yeah,

698
00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:51,700
we have,

699
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:52,450
we have plants.

700
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,750
We don't actually have native pine forest here in Australia,

701
00:22:56,010 --> 00:22:59,050
but we have plantation pine forests and kind of the next

702
00:22:59,050 --> 00:22:59,560
best thing.

703
00:22:59,620 --> 00:23:02,860
So I just thought that It's the person that likes,

704
00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:03,370
you know,

705
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,540
the, the repetitive,

706
00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,550
like lined up things.

707
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,410
I imagine those are pretty straight and aligned and like cool.

708
00:23:10,410 --> 00:23:12,400
Look at the repeating patterns.

709
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,430
Yeah. Yeah.

710
00:23:13,690 --> 00:23:14,710
They definitely can.

711
00:23:14,730 --> 00:23:15,790
Yeah. They often are.

712
00:23:15,790 --> 00:23:18,040
And then they have like a road through the middle often

713
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,380
as well because they're a forestry,

714
00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:21,760
like they've got to all be accessible.

715
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,710
So there's a lot of rows all through them and they're

716
00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:27,310
not always lined up with the sunset either.

717
00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:30,250
So I've gotten to know like which roads through the forest

718
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,170
lineup at particular times of year,

719
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:34,030
which is really handy to know,

720
00:23:34,030 --> 00:23:35,710
and also use that Sunseeker app,

721
00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:37,030
which is the main thing.

722
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:40,120
Is it augmented reality?

723
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:41,170
Is that how you say it?

724
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,530
The whole Idea That's a road.

725
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,720
I think it's that pronounced it incorrectly.

726
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,230
I'm not sure.

727
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,880
Anyway, it's where,

728
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,160
it's where you hold your phone up and it uses the

729
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,570
phone's camera and doesn't overlay Where the line will be The

730
00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:58,730
path of the sun through the sky and all that sort

731
00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:59,060
of stuff.

732
00:23:59,090 --> 00:24:01,700
And you can also change it to different months as well.

733
00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:03,650
So if you're there in June and you want to know

734
00:24:03,650 --> 00:24:05,180
where the sun sets in December,

735
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,460
you can switch it and it'll show you exactly.

736
00:24:07,460 --> 00:24:08,330
So you'd be like,

737
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,080
okay, well this,

738
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,210
this particular view isn't working at the moment,

739
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:12,890
but in another four months it'll be lined up.

740
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,740
Perfect. So yeah,

741
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:15,110
I love,

742
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:16,760
I use that a lot and I mean,

743
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,130
it's not so important that places like the beach,

744
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560
but definitely in the forest where you really need to get

745
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,580
the sun in the right spot.

746
00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:25,820
Otherwise you're dealing with like dappled shade and sidelight and all

747
00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:26,480
that sort of stuff.

748
00:24:27,020 --> 00:24:28,340
It's invaluable.

749
00:24:28,460 --> 00:24:28,810
I love it.

750
00:24:28,910 --> 00:24:29,570
I, yeah,

751
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:30,320
I love that app.

752
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,370
I use it a lot too.

753
00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:34,160
And I didn't realize because you know,

754
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,580
I don't,

755
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,260
I don't live in the big giant,

756
00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:37,730
like Rocky beautiful mountains.

757
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,250
So when I was out in Colorado with,

758
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,060
and bear,

759
00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:43,130
we were teaching a hair of the dog workshop a couple

760
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:43,730
of years ago,

761
00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:44,480
we were like,

762
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,890
okay, do your two,

763
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:46,400
two years,

764
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:48,710
two hours before sunset this time,

765
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:49,850
this is when we'll start shooting.

766
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:52,280
And we went out to scope and then we put my

767
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,210
Sunseeker. I'm like,

768
00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:54,290
oh man,

769
00:24:54,530 --> 00:24:56,870
we're going to lose light behind that mountain,

770
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:59,150
like four in the afternoon.

771
00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:00,890
Yeah, exactly.

772
00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:01,580
And that's just,

773
00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:05,330
sorry, it's such vital information to have those sorts of locations.

774
00:25:05,330 --> 00:25:07,280
I've found the same thing in New Zealand as well.

775
00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:08,180
Yes. Because,

776
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:10,490
because Craig and I went to scout in,

777
00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:15,230
in Queenstown before the actual workshop and it was like we

778
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:16,700
spent, was it four days,

779
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:19,010
three or four days driving so many Ks,

780
00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:22,910
we walked so far justifying locations where that wasn't going to

781
00:25:22,910 --> 00:25:23,420
be an issue.

782
00:25:23,420 --> 00:25:24,950
It wasn't going to be as much of an issue,

783
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:25,550
I suppose.

784
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:26,600
Yeah. It's a real thing.

785
00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:28,370
Now. It's just the wrecks.

786
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:31,880
Everything. They're really hard to shoot him.

787
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:34,280
Yeah. Yeah.

788
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,520
And then for the workshops to your add the extra,

789
00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:37,880
you know,

790
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,460
added challenge of it needs to be close to roads.

791
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:41,990
We can't have people walking too far.

792
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:44,060
We can have models walking too far and can't be too

793
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:46,220
crowded needs to be enough room.

794
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:47,750
Yeah. It's a tall order.

795
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:51,380
I'm so glad we location scattered there beforehand,

796
00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:53,690
just because if we would have just turned up and gone

797
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:57,050
to places that we'd kind of thought we Googled about a

798
00:25:57,050 --> 00:25:58,940
lot of the places that we thought were at an absolute

799
00:25:58,940 --> 00:26:00,290
ringing. Weren't sorry.

800
00:26:00,980 --> 00:26:01,940
Right, right.

801
00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:03,200
Yeah. It was kind of handy.

802
00:26:03,660 --> 00:26:06,890
I think that's true with actual photo shoot locations for your

803
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:07,910
clients as well.

804
00:26:07,910 --> 00:26:09,200
Because sometimes like,

805
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,020
that's why I like to have a location guide that I

806
00:26:12,020 --> 00:26:16,670
sent through to people that has locations tried and tested locations

807
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:19,190
that I know who work at particular times of year.

808
00:26:19,550 --> 00:26:24,230
If you start doing shoots at locations that the clients recommended

809
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:25,550
because they think it's a pretty place.

810
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:27,140
They're not looking for the same things as you are.

811
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:30,470
So what they think is a great location.

812
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:32,840
Yeah. There's going to be beautiful.

813
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:39,320
Yeah. Completely open manicured park with no interest.

814
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,620
You're like,

815
00:26:39,650 --> 00:26:40,520
no, no,

816
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:42,770
no. Or their backyards,

817
00:26:43,170 --> 00:26:43,710
that's all it's yeah.

818
00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:44,460
Let's just do it,

819
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:45,720
do it in my backyard.

820
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,100
And so I always Google,

821
00:26:47,250 --> 00:26:48,690
before we have that conversation,

822
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:49,740
I usually have their address.

823
00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:50,910
So I Google that first.

824
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:51,630
So to see,

825
00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:54,630
oh, you live on 10 acres of like natural land.

826
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:55,020
Okay. Yeah.

827
00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:56,730
We could probably make that work or,

828
00:26:56,790 --> 00:26:58,950
oh, you're in a subdivision on a third of an acre

829
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:00,690
with a white fence in your backyard.

830
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:03,720
Exactly. Yeah.

831
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:04,940
But alternatively,

832
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:07,770
like I've actually had a few locations at clients and I'm

833
00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:11,160
always super skeptical when clients recommend locations because nine times out

834
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:11,400
of 10,

835
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,090
they're not suitable,

836
00:27:12,330 --> 00:27:15,120
but I've actually had a couple of locations that I've found

837
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,250
because a client has recommended them as well.

838
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,340
So it does help also to keep an open mind and

839
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:23,310
not just discount locations straight away because you're like,

840
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:24,780
oh, what would they know?

841
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:29,430
Yeah. Because sometimes I actually managed to get a good spot

842
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:31,710
like this there's one spot that I really love that I

843
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:32,130
shoot at.

844
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:33,660
It's kind of on the other side of town for me,

845
00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:35,700
which is also good because it's not a place I would

846
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,830
have kind of like somebody else by myself.

847
00:27:37,860 --> 00:27:39,450
Yeah. Cause I didn't normally go there,

848
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,090
but they take their dog every they're out there every afternoon

849
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:43,230
and it's an off-leash park,

850
00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:45,570
but you can walk sort of further up the Creek and

851
00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:48,540
there's not as many people in dogs and it's really easy

852
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:50,580
and it's often really green because it's in a valley.

853
00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:51,510
So yeah.

854
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:53,970
Finding 11 patients is huge.

855
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:55,020
A huge part.

856
00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:55,500
I think,

857
00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:56,970
of, of being an outdoors,

858
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,200
natural life photographer.

859
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,540
Yeah, absolutely.

860
00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:02,700
And I remember by,

861
00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:04,920
well, my brother got married last spring.

862
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:06,180
Thankfully not this spring.

863
00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:07,770
Last may where he got married,

864
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,050
it was an outdoor venue and it was beautiful and it

865
00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:12,930
had all the sacred and beautiful trees and some flowers and

866
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:15,660
gorgeous light and fields and old barn it's and I'm like,

867
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,440
oh my God,

868
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,190
this is awesome.

869
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,000
I want to shoot here.

870
00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:19,650
And I was thinking to myself,

871
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,310
no chance,

872
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:21,390
they're going to let dogs here.

873
00:28:21,390 --> 00:28:23,250
And I almost didn't even ask.

874
00:28:23,610 --> 00:28:26,970
And then I had a client really right around that time,

875
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:29,670
they contacted me like a week or two after my brother

876
00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:31,350
got married and we were talking and we were trying to

877
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:32,310
figure out where to go.

878
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:35,550
And their dogs were a little reactive and you know,

879
00:28:35,550 --> 00:28:37,110
they wanted someplace private.

880
00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:38,130
And so I was like,

881
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,600
I'm going to hold on,

882
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:41,040
let me get back to tomorrow.

883
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,910
Let me find out.

884
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:44,040
So I emailed the people and I'm just like,

885
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:44,460
you know,

886
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,930
I'm a pet photographer.

887
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:46,710
I know you guys,

888
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,130
you know,

889
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,930
cause you'd look on the website and it says they do

890
00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:50,820
rent the land for photography,

891
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:51,870
but they have cats.

892
00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:52,650
They have a dog.

893
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:52,860
I'm like,

894
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:54,780
there's no way they're gonna let me bring dogs onto here.

895
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:56,700
So I just emailed them and said,

896
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,320
Hey, I'm a pet photographer.

897
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,900
Would I be able to hold a session there too?

898
00:29:00,970 --> 00:29:01,260
They're like,

899
00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:02,490
sure. Absolutely.

900
00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:03,510
Like, oh wow.

901
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:05,550
So that's awesome.

902
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:06,690
It doesn't hurt to ask.

903
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:08,490
Yeah. If you guys have locations,

904
00:29:08,490 --> 00:29:11,490
I find sometimes Googling when I first moved to Charlotte.

905
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:11,730
I mean,

906
00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:14,850
I had been here like twice before and Then you had

907
00:29:14,850 --> 00:29:16,740
to what cut out for you finding locations.

908
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,970
Yeah. Yeah.

909
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,550
And it's weird here a bit too.

910
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:24,720
Cause it's very like just green trees,

911
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:26,040
flat ish,

912
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:27,720
but not real hilly.

913
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,060
Like in Pittsburgh you can get up on things here.

914
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,320
There's like kind of Hills,

915
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,400
but the trees are so big.

916
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,900
You can't ever see over the trees.

917
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:35,190
So it's just like,

918
00:29:35,220 --> 00:29:35,600
I don't know.

919
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:38,550
Oh, it was a whole different kind of scouting and the

920
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:43,330
city was totally different too because Pittsburgh has amazing old architecture

921
00:29:43,330 --> 00:29:45,250
and incredible doors.

922
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,100
And like I could go shoot around the city.

923
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,000
I had like probably 10 different city locations that I love

924
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,930
to shoot out.

925
00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:54,040
And here I'm like,

926
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:56,230
oh, here they knock everything down.

927
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:58,300
If it's more than 20 years old to build something new,

928
00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:01,750
It's exciting.

929
00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:04,900
So I've started find some,

930
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,070
but finding,

931
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:08,860
it was a little bit more challenging to start to find

932
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:09,730
where I wanted to go.

933
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:11,830
So what I actually did when I was going to move

934
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:12,940
was I Googled,

935
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:13,450
you know,

936
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:14,700
wedding photography,

937
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:18,780
located Charlotte and came up some really good spots to,

938
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:21,280
to kind of check out and go see.

939
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,460
And I'm really good thing to look for.

940
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,370
Yeah. It's going to be photogenic.

941
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:30,220
Yeah. I actually did a really similar thing.

942
00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:33,700
This is a place in actually I live right.

943
00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:36,220
I've just moved that just before Christmas and it's just down

944
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:38,470
the road for me now it's called old Patri town and

945
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:39,700
it's a weird little place.

946
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:43,570
It's like Brisbane is pretty bad for retaining heritage areas and

947
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:46,480
heritage buildings and they tend to knock things down and stuff.

948
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,890
So there's not a lot of old buildings,

949
00:30:47,890 --> 00:30:50,710
but this old Patri town they've actually moved a lot of

950
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:51,520
the old buildings,

951
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,500
even an entire railway station building.

952
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,490
Oh wow.

953
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:57,430
And put them in this little village to like create this

954
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:58,660
little old timer,

955
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:58,990
you know,

956
00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:01,570
Oles in Australia in terms of old,

957
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,430
but this,

958
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:07,120
this little village with lots of these cute little cottagey buildings

959
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,520
and the old railway station with a little section of track

960
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,110
and all these really cool places anyway.

961
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:13,510
So I was actually looking at it as a wedding.

962
00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:15,040
Similar story too,

963
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,260
is that I was looking at it as a wedding location

964
00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:18,070
for myself.

965
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:18,970
And this is beautiful,

966
00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:20,320
big old fig trees,

967
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,120
like 350 year old Morton bay.

968
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,240
There's a big buttress roots and yeah,

969
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,990
so I ended up,

970
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:27,070
ended up getting married there,

971
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,010
but I,

972
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:28,840
I did the same thing.

973
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,070
I just asked him the question,

974
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:31,420
like, do you allow dogs here?

975
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:33,520
And it had actually just changed management.

976
00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:34,600
So, and the reason,

977
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,240
the reason I assumed it didn't before is they were actually

978
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,800
Santelli that said no dogs,

979
00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:41,170
but they just changed management.

980
00:31:41,170 --> 00:31:41,650
And they're just like,

981
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:41,980
oh no,

982
00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:42,820
we're letting people,

983
00:31:42,850 --> 00:31:45,430
who's letting people have photography permits for shooting here now.

984
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:45,940
And yes,

985
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:46,900
we allowed dogs.

986
00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:49,330
So that's a really favorite spot of mine to shoot.

987
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,020
And again,

988
00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:51,790
it's like a similar kind of reason as you,

989
00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:55,000
I think is it's not crowded and it's a really great

990
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,300
place to take reactive dogs because there's no anyone else,

991
00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:59,620
there are no other dogs there.

992
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:00,550
And if I've got a,

993
00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:03,430
you have to have a photography pass to shoot there to

994
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:03,950
be there.

995
00:32:04,090 --> 00:32:04,390
I mean,

996
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:05,830
just always ask the question,

997
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:07,030
never be shy about asking,

998
00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:08,440
like, what's the worst thing that's going to happen.

999
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,070
They're going to say no.

1000
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:13,600
Yeah. And I'm not scared to like pay for places.

1001
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,410
And my clients understand this,

1002
00:32:15,410 --> 00:32:17,380
especially if they have a reactive dog to say,

1003
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:19,300
Hey, we can go here and it's private and there is

1004
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,710
a fee to shoot there.

1005
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:21,160
They're always like,

1006
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,850
okay, that's fine.

1007
00:32:22,330 --> 00:32:22,690
You know,

1008
00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:25,510
and as an owner of a reactive dog myself,

1009
00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:25,810
I mean,

1010
00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:28,450
I would pay in a second to know that I'm not

1011
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:31,510
going to have like Zoe barking and spending and screaming and

1012
00:32:31,630 --> 00:32:32,410
it's, you know,

1013
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:33,880
so it's stressful for all of us.

1014
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:36,400
Yeah, definitely.

1015
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:38,620
And private property as well,

1016
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:40,850
actually in my real shoot series,

1017
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:41,990
episode seven,

1018
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:44,390
I actually shoot on a C in the country on a

1019
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:45,200
private property.

1020
00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:47,360
Yep. And I actually put a,

1021
00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:51,680
an ad up on Facebook looking for a suitable property in

1022
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,520
the area that I wanted that had certain features finding the

1023
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,350
properties shoot on.

1024
00:32:56,370 --> 00:32:58,610
And that's where I shot in episode seven of real shoots.

1025
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,070
So also that's another way to find locations is you can

1026
00:33:01,070 --> 00:33:02,450
actually eat.

1027
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:05,390
You can even just drive around the area that you like,

1028
00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:07,490
if it's a country area or something and see it like

1029
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:11,930
a beautiful paddock or a really nice Creek or some rolling

1030
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:12,830
Hills or something,

1031
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:16,340
or a field of flowers or crops or whatever looks good,

1032
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:18,980
even note in their letterbox.

1033
00:33:19,370 --> 00:33:21,590
Like, and if you actually offered a pay,

1034
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,480
people will take you seriously as well.

1035
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:25,190
And tell them you have insurance.

1036
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:27,260
Yes, exactly.

1037
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:27,530
You know,

1038
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:28,280
like actually,

1039
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,460
you know,

1040
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,270
send them a link,

1041
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,880
give them a business card and tell them that you're like

1042
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,900
a legitimate sort of business and that you're happy to pay,

1043
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,970
to be able to shoot there and it's always worth it.

1044
00:33:38,030 --> 00:33:39,140
Yeah. Yeah,

1045
00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:42,020
absolutely. And you can find usually their names too,

1046
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,010
you know,

1047
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:46,670
that's all county county public knowledge that you can look on

1048
00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:48,860
your county website to find out who owns it.

1049
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:49,850
You can send letters,

1050
00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:50,120
you know,

1051
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,230
whatever, however,

1052
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:52,010
to reach them.

1053
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:52,520
That's a,

1054
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:53,810
that's a great way to do that.

1055
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,790
What were you looking for on the private land?

1056
00:33:56,510 --> 00:33:58,910
I guess it was also what I wasn't looking for as

1057
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:02,750
well. So I wasn't looking for a cluttered type place that

1058
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:05,330
had lots of old cars lying around or,

1059
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:06,290
you know,

1060
00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:07,820
ugly fences and things like that.

1061
00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:09,140
So I think in my list,

1062
00:34:09,140 --> 00:34:09,890
I actually,

1063
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,300
in real shoots episode seven,

1064
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,450
I actually have a screenshot of the exact ad that I

1065
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:16,370
posted on Facebook looking for it.

1066
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:17,570
And so it was,

1067
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,010
I think I listed old farm buildings with a rustic look

1068
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:28,190
paddocks that hadn't been mowed with natural long grasses tracks,

1069
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:29,990
treed areas.

1070
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:31,610
I forget what else was in the list,

1071
00:34:31,670 --> 00:34:33,590
but it was a list of things I did want and

1072
00:34:33,590 --> 00:34:35,000
they listed things I didn't want.

1073
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:38,030
And I was also very specific that I wasn't shooting at

1074
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:38,810
their house.

1075
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:41,930
So we wouldn't be in their house in and around their

1076
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:44,300
house, house yacht or anything like that.

1077
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:46,310
It was only on their land only on their property.

1078
00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:49,520
And I also tried to find some example photos of what

1079
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,380
I was looking for and post those in the ad as

1080
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,720
well. Farm network,

1081
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,370
Local Groups.

1082
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:57,260
Yeah, just a community Facebook group.

1083
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:59,180
But it's in the area that I was looking in and

1084
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:01,400
I had so many responses aren't going to have about 10

1085
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,430
responses. Oh.

1086
00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:05,720
And I went out to about four properties I think.

1087
00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:08,740
Yeah. And ended up choosing this one that I used for,

1088
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:09,920
for the real sheets episode.

1089
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:11,960
Nice. Only thing is he was just about to sell it.<inaudible>

1090
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:20,270
can you put in the contract that Stipulated that I have

1091
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:21,290
to get access to it?

1092
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:26,270
I actually only shot there once because it changed owners and

1093
00:35:26,330 --> 00:35:27,320
they weren't interested.

1094
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:30,320
Yeah. You're like,

1095
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:30,650
all right,

1096
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:31,790
let me call number two.

1097
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:32,780
That was on my list.

1098
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:38,160
And there was one that I would love to go out

1099
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,460
to still,

1100
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:40,170
I just haven't found the perfect shoot to do it with

1101
00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:41,310
yet, but yeah,

1102
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:43,530
that's a good way of finding locations to shoot if you're

1103
00:35:43,530 --> 00:35:44,190
really struggling.

1104
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:45,510
And also for people who struggled,

1105
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,030
they might live in an area where the laws are quite

1106
00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,310
tight on That's Florida.

1107
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,200
Oh my God.

1108
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,570
You cannot have dogs anywhere.

1109
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:56,310
It's so frustrating.

1110
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:56,820
It's really,

1111
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:58,560
That is frustrating.

1112
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,690
I think Sydney's a little bit the same as well.

1113
00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:03,600
It's definitely a lot more tightly restricted,

1114
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,200
I guess certain you can't even get it's completely,

1115
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,800
don't prohibit it.

1116
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,860
I found that actually about the inner city parks of Brisbane,

1117
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,710
like right in the city to throw dogs,

1118
00:36:14,330 --> 00:36:14,630
which is,

1119
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:16,620
Which is crazy too,

1120
00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:18,330
because so many dogs live in the city.

1121
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:25,350
It is supposed to stay in their apartments full-time issues.

1122
00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:26,820
Cause they're not socialized well enough,

1123
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:27,300
but anyway.

1124
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:32,670
Yes. Yeah.

1125
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:34,740
What are some other ways that you,

1126
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:36,180
I know when I moved down,

1127
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:37,110
I did some,

1128
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,270
some armchair Googling I'm looking for green spaces and That's a

1129
00:36:42,270 --> 00:36:43,680
great way that Stuff.

1130
00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:45,930
Yeah. Just Scrolling around the map.

1131
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:47,130
Yeah, yeah.

1132
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:51,270
Yeah. And then every time I go driving somewhere,

1133
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:52,380
I'm always,

1134
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:56,100
always looking around for where I am and I actually will

1135
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,110
take if I'm like in the city and I see,

1136
00:36:58,140 --> 00:36:58,590
oh my gosh,

1137
00:36:58,590 --> 00:36:59,400
here's this beautiful,

1138
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800
like red garage door that I could shoot at.

1139
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,290
I I'd take a picture on my phone and like drop

1140
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:06,360
a little pin where it is and I put it in

1141
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,130
a specific folder.

1142
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:10,980
So I kind of have this little folder of cool spots.

1143
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Yeah. That's a good idea.

1144
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:13,230
Yeah. Well,

1145
00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:14,100
I have a question for you.

1146
00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:17,550
So when you're looking for like a session location for a

1147
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:18,750
full session,

1148
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:22,200
like how many different kinds of vignettes or areas do you

1149
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,300
want to see to be able to get enough variety for

1150
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,080
the session you want Variety within the one location?

1151
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:28,950
Yeah. Yeah.

1152
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:29,580
Like, so like,

1153
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:32,160
cause I know there's some places that I've done many sessions

1154
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,140
at, but sometimes it's a little bit harder to do a

1155
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:34,710
full session.

1156
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:35,550
Yeah. Yeah.

1157
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,990
I feel like it depends on how you,

1158
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:37,410
I mean,

1159
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:37,860
I've got,

1160
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:38,040
I mean,

1161
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,020
I've got a location guide and I think I've got about

1162
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:41,670
18 different locations in there.

1163
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:43,530
And I think only one of them,

1164
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:47,190
I specify that I'll only do a short session there also

1165
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:48,270
mainly because there's a light,

1166
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,160
any, it's only a morning location,

1167
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,330
then you lose the light really quickly.

1168
00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:53,070
So you don't actually have a lot of time to shoot

1169
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:55,080
there. And also there isn't a lot of variety,

1170
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,750
so there's basically just a Creek and then like a field

1171
00:37:58,140 --> 00:38:00,240
and it's all very same,

1172
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,120
same. You're not going to get a lot of variety there.

1173
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:03,510
I don't know.

1174
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:04,590
I suppose I look for,

1175
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:08,070
I look for three or four or five different kind of

1176
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,710
areas, but it's also how you use them as well.

1177
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,220
So you can get a completely different look from exactly the

1178
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,620
same spot just by changing your lens and changing your focal

1179
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:18,630
length for an angle.

1180
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,040
Yeah, absolutely.

1181
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,990
So it kind of really depends I suppose.

1182
00:38:22,110 --> 00:38:24,540
Yeah. I mean I would rarely shoot.

1183
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:27,480
I would really go to a location because there's like a

1184
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,880
building there that I like and just use that building in

1185
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,420
the background.

1186
00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:32,040
That's just not really my style,

1187
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:32,430
I suppose,

1188
00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:33,180
but it's also just,

1189
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,380
doesn't give you quite enough variety.

1190
00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:37,420
Those are different colored backgrounds and stuff.

1191
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:37,990
Yeah. Yeah.

1192
00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:39,760
My favorite places to shoot,

1193
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,750
I love the city.

1194
00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:44,110
I still love the city and like to go with buildings

1195
00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:46,210
and color texture and everything.

1196
00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:48,430
And it's funny cause people are always like,

1197
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:49,270
man, I want to do the city,

1198
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:50,500
but I love the natural stuff too.

1199
00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:50,800
And I'm like,

1200
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:54,010
well, but we can do both because you know what?

1201
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:57,220
That trusty 70 to 200 at 200 millimeters,

1202
00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:57,490
you're like,

1203
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,900
oh, here's a couple of grasses.

1204
00:38:58,990 --> 00:39:01,000
Oh, it looks like in the middle of wherever.

1205
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:02,530
Like you have no idea it's in the city.

1206
00:39:04,990 --> 00:39:07,960
You can really hone down on those tiny little patches of

1207
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:10,240
something to make it look a little bit different.

1208
00:39:10,620 --> 00:39:11,540
Yeah. Yeah.

1209
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,650
I think a really fun exercise.

1210
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:17,860
I do it in one of my behind the lens episodes

1211
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:21,580
in the academy that basically it was in front of the

1212
00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:23,140
door, that little town,

1213
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:24,340
a little town,

1214
00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:25,810
it was like 10 minutes from my house.

1215
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,440
It's like a little kind of historic ish historical town,

1216
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,140
but there's just really like this little town square that's kind

1217
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:32,800
of historical.

1218
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,620
And then otherwise it's just normal houses and like a restaurant

1219
00:39:35,770 --> 00:39:37,900
and really you would drive right through and be like,

1220
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,700
there's nothing really special here.

1221
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
But like there was plenty and there was never anybody there

1222
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,440
and it was closed and it was great.

1223
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,400
You could shoot in the morning,

1224
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,140
but you didn't have to get there at like sunrise.

1225
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:49,090
You could like start an hour after sunshine.

1226
00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:51,190
It was amazing.

1227
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:52,510
But anyway,

1228
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:53,350
I did,

1229
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,070
I digress.

1230
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:54,970
I did a,

1231
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:58,900
a little exercise and adore and those like,

1232
00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:59,110
all right,

1233
00:39:59,110 --> 00:40:02,380
let's see how many different images we can create like right

1234
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:03,100
here in this spot,

1235
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,030
not at this building,

1236
00:40:04,030 --> 00:40:06,610
like right here at this door.

1237
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:10,120
So I always feel like that's a really good way for

1238
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:11,140
yeah. You do that,

1239
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:15,130
like explore your creativity and start to see some things and

1240
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:18,010
how many different ways can I use this with different lenses

1241
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:20,290
and different perspectives and all that good stuff.

1242
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:22,750
Yeah. I did a similar thing in real shoots,

1243
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:24,160
episode six with NICU,

1244
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,320
the Husky was basically the garden bed and the difference in

1245
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,580
the images that you can get,

1246
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:32,590
she was standing in the garden bed and I was kind

1247
00:40:32,590 --> 00:40:34,810
of shooting from a long way away with a 200 millimeter

1248
00:40:34,810 --> 00:40:36,370
lens. And I got her kind of,

1249
00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:36,640
you know,

1250
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:37,870
side on standing there.

1251
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:40,060
And then I switched to the wide angle lens and I

1252
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:41,710
shot over the top of her looking down.

1253
00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:44,470
And she was pretty much exactly the same position she had.

1254
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:45,550
She didn't move at all.

1255
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:48,160
And it looked like it was like a completely different photo,

1256
00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:49,330
completely different look.

1257
00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:51,880
And it's just amazing what you can do just by mixing

1258
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,570
it up a little bit.

1259
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,350
I think people sometimes get stuck using their favorite lens,

1260
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:00,670
Having to do a hundred.

1261
00:41:00,670 --> 00:41:00,940
I mean,

1262
00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:01,630
it's a good lens.

1263
00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:01,930
I mean,

1264
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,460
I've done my camera most of the time if I'm getting

1265
00:41:06,460 --> 00:41:08,290
a bit stuck and I'm like,

1266
00:41:08,350 --> 00:41:09,310
I think to myself,

1267
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:10,720
oh, what lens am I using?

1268
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,320
How long have it been?

1269
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:13,420
Okay. I've been using it for the last 15 minutes.

1270
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:14,830
Let me just switch.

1271
00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:16,840
And I can't see anything that I want to do with

1272
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,200
this lens,

1273
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,090
but let me just put it on and have a look.

1274
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,410
And then often when you put it on,

1275
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:21,490
you start looking through,

1276
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:21,790
you know,

1277
00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:25,510
looking through the viewfinder and look like you get a set

1278
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:26,170
of fresh eyes,

1279
00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:26,620
I guess,

1280
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:27,610
on the same scene.

1281
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,890
So just active switching to a different lens.

1282
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Just, it can give you a bit of inspiration and sort

1283
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:36,110
of help you work through it and use your creativity to

1284
00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:37,130
create something different.

1285
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:38,270
Yeah. Yeah.

1286
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:39,800
And don't be afraid to tell,

1287
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,310
you know,

1288
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:41,150
tell your client,

1289
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:42,410
like to test something different.

1290
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:44,330
And if it's not working like to say,

1291
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,110
oh, all right,

1292
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:45,440
hold on.

1293
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,330
Let's go do it this way.

1294
00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:47,420
I'm going to switch my lens.

1295
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:50,690
Like your client's not going to judge you if you're like

1296
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:51,440
try something.

1297
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:51,740
And you're like,

1298
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:52,730
mm, I don't really like that.

1299
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:53,810
I'm going to come over here.

1300
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:55,010
Like I,

1301
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,970
when I first started,

1302
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:59,150
I was terrified that a one,

1303
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,260
if I wasn't constantly moving and shooting that they were going

1304
00:42:03,260 --> 00:42:05,120
to realize that I didn't know what that guy was doing.

1305
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,190
And beanie,

1306
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,360
if I like,

1307
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:08,960
you know,

1308
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:10,670
pause for a second or told them,

1309
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:11,030
oh wait,

1310
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:11,960
this isn't working.

1311
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,680
That that'd be like,

1312
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:14,060
oh, see who?

1313
00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:16,220
Why, why are you calling yourself a professional?

1314
00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:19,550
I think we all have that like through the back of

1315
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:19,880
our head,

1316
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,260
especially when we're starting.

1317
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,110
Yeah. But then I realized that,

1318
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:26,150
oh, that was totally okay to say,

1319
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:27,920
Hey, just hang out here for one second.

1320
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,720
I'm going to walk over here and see if there's anything

1321
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,480
interesting. I want to go check the lights here.

1322
00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:32,930
I tell them,

1323
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:33,290
hold on,

1324
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:35,300
I'm going to change these settings.

1325
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:36,710
I take a couple of test shots.

1326
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:37,490
I'll sometimes say,

1327
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:38,810
oh, I don't really like it with that lens.

1328
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:39,110
Hold on.

1329
00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:40,160
I'm going to switch to this.

1330
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:40,790
Like they,

1331
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:41,900
they don't care.

1332
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,790
That was part of the,

1333
00:42:43,790 --> 00:42:45,560
it's all part of the creative process.

1334
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:48,470
And people really appreciate that sometimes too.

1335
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:50,360
I think because you're trying to do something a bit different

1336
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:50,720
from them,

1337
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:51,170
for them.

1338
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:53,210
You're not just taking them to the same spot.

1339
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:56,090
You take every single client to and taking the same photo.

1340
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:57,590
I find the,

1341
00:42:57,590 --> 00:43:00,650
especially the old Petri town that I shoot at with the

1342
00:43:00,650 --> 00:43:01,310
little village,

1343
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:03,950
there's so many different nooks and crannies of that place that

1344
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:05,690
I'm always finding new spots.

1345
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:07,040
And I will say to a client,

1346
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,240
look, I shoot her all the time.

1347
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:10,220
You have a shot just over there.

1348
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,730
Let's go try that out and see how that look.

1349
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:15,020
And they're always like,

1350
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:15,500
oh, okay,

1351
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:17,120
cool. We're doing something a bit different.

1352
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,280
Like we might get something really cool out of this.

1353
00:43:19,310 --> 00:43:20,210
And if it doesn't work,

1354
00:43:20,210 --> 00:43:20,420
they're like,

1355
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:21,710
oh, well that's okay.

1356
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:22,670
Let's try this other spot.

1357
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:22,940
You know,

1358
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:24,190
I think it,

1359
00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:26,780
it gives you time to regroup your thoughts and stuff as

1360
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:29,030
well. If you just that's that's one of the tips that

1361
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:32,150
I give often is if you're feeling a little bit overwhelmed

1362
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:33,080
during a session,

1363
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:35,780
cause there's so much to think about so much to think

1364
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,820
about. And a lot of the time it does start to

1365
00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:38,720
come more naturally.

1366
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:39,650
The more shoots that you do,

1367
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:40,940
but when you're first starting out,

1368
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:41,450
like, I mean,

1369
00:43:41,450 --> 00:43:42,260
you got to talk to them,

1370
00:43:42,290 --> 00:43:44,450
you got to make conversation with people often.

1371
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:45,530
That's the hardest thing,

1372
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:50,150
right? So many people are drawn to pet photography because they're

1373
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:53,540
introverts and they don't necessarily love talking to people,

1374
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:55,040
but unfortunately dogs,

1375
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,870
aren't their own free agents and you still Have the purse

1376
00:43:59,870 --> 00:44:03,230
strings. So you're thinking about talking,

1377
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:04,550
making conversation with,

1378
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:05,570
and talking to the owner.

1379
00:44:05,570 --> 00:44:06,680
You're thinking about the dog,

1380
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,520
what's it doing?

1381
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,300
Is it happy?

1382
00:44:08,330 --> 00:44:09,530
Is it behaving?

1383
00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:11,690
Is there any like extra training you need to do as

1384
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:12,050
a dog?

1385
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:13,430
And then you're thinking about the light,

1386
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:14,780
which is another huge,

1387
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:15,440
huge thing.

1388
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:17,420
Thinking about how to use the location.

1389
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,760
You're thinking about settings on your camera,

1390
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:21,680
right? Shooting with manual.

1391
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,910
You're constantly thinking about,

1392
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,430
oh, do I need to adjust the ISO to account for

1393
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:25,850
the light?

1394
00:44:25,850 --> 00:44:27,170
So many different things he's thinking about.

1395
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:29,660
And it's really easy to get overwhelmed and that's normal.

1396
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,010
That's totally normal.

1397
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:33,690
One of the little tips that I give to people is

1398
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:34,830
often if you get,

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00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:36,180
if you're feeling a bit overwhelmed,

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00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:37,980
if you're a bit over talking for a minute,

1401
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:40,380
you can just get people to hang out in a particular

1402
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:41,670
little spot and go,

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00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:42,990
okay, I'm just going to walk home.

1404
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:43,890
You guys stay here,

1405
00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:44,790
just hanging out for a sec,

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00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:45,540
give your dog a drink,

1407
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:47,730
whatever. I'm just going to have a walk over here and

1408
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:49,250
see what this spot over here looks like.

1409
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:50,850
Cause I haven't shopped there before and I just want to

1410
00:44:50,850 --> 00:44:51,030
go in,

1411
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:51,540
line it up.

1412
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:54,480
You can actually use that as a little break for yourself

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00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:58,230
to like regroup and calm down and just center yourself a

1414
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:58,740
little bit.

1415
00:44:58,830 --> 00:45:00,840
And you might walk over there for just a couple of

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00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,970
minutes and it's just enough to feed,

1417
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:05,430
to reset yourself and get into a better frame of mind.

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00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,750
And then by the time you come back,

1419
00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:09,240
regardless of whether that spot that you checked out is going

1420
00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:09,900
to work or not,

1421
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:11,070
by the time you come back,

1422
00:45:11,130 --> 00:45:12,720
you're just a little bit more calm.

1423
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:17,220
Yeah. That is like a reset button in the middle of

1424
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:17,670
a session.

1425
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:18,450
Yeah, no,

1426
00:45:18,450 --> 00:45:19,050
that's good.

1427
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:19,440
You know,

1428
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,690
and the dogs can usually use a little break and the

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00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:22,980
people like everyone,

1430
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:25,170
everyone appreciates a little break here and there.

1431
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:27,300
So don't be afraid to do that.

1432
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:27,840
Oh my gosh.

1433
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,920
I think we could go on,

1434
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,050
on this conversation for like three more hours.

1435
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:33,660
We could talk all day,

1436
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:35,940
Nicole. You're like,

1437
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:36,690
Hey everybody,

1438
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:42,960
this is like our seven hour podcast episode four in the

1439
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:50,700
morning. You must listen all in one sitting anyway.

1440
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:53,670
Yeah. Well I'm sure I'll have you on the podcast again

1441
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:57,360
because we have so many awesome things to talk about and

1442
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:58,830
thank you for being here with us.

1443
00:45:58,830 --> 00:46:00,600
Why don't you let everybody know,

1444
00:46:00,660 --> 00:46:01,170
you know,

1445
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,390
where to find you and all that good stuff.

1446
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:07,410
Okay. So if you'd like to follow my actual photography business,

1447
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:10,560
that's called Charlotte Reeves photography and that the URL,

1448
00:46:10,590 --> 00:46:13,470
the website is just Charlotte raves.com.edu.

1449
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:15,420
And then I have the teaching side of things.

1450
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:17,340
So I do quite a lot of teaching these days.

1451
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:21,210
And my website for that is learn pet photography.com.

1452
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,060
So on that teaching side of things I do,

1453
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:27,780
in-person mentoring obviously can't really do in person right now,

1454
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:31,740
but I also do online mentoring and I've been doing a

1455
00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:32,670
lot of that lately.

1456
00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:35,280
And that's a really good way to connect with me online.

1457
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,800
I do portfolio reviews and we can even just have a

1458
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,890
bit of a chat about any issues that you're facing and

1459
00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:43,620
want to just talk through with someone I've also got my

1460
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:44,790
real shoots course,

1461
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:46,020
which is 10 episodes.

1462
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:49,410
So 10 real shoots with actual dog photography clients.

1463
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:51,510
So there's like a shooting for each episode.

1464
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:52,500
There's a shooting video.

1465
00:46:52,500 --> 00:46:54,200
There's two editing tutorials.

1466
00:46:54,210 --> 00:46:55,350
There's a PDF guide.

1467
00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:57,420
There's the full client gallery and there's a quiz.

1468
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,400
So times 10.

1469
00:47:00,630 --> 00:47:02,370
Fantastic. It's an amazing course.

1470
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:03,180
Thanks the call.

1471
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:04,050
Yeah, that's a huge,

1472
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:04,680
huge course.

1473
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:07,950
But what I recommend people always start with is I do

1474
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:10,890
have a free daily tips series that you can sign up

1475
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:11,760
to via email.

1476
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:15,870
And that's basically one tip every day for 90 days.

1477
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,260
So that's three months worth of daily tips and they're just

1478
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:20,910
nice little bite sized,

1479
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:24,900
easily digestible tips that just turn up in your email inbox

1480
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:25,500
every day.

1481
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,390
And a lot of people find that it's really helpful.

1482
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:29,380
They put little snippets of information.

1483
00:47:29,410 --> 00:47:31,450
So I always recommend people start with that.

1484
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:32,800
I've also got a blog,

1485
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,530
that's got a bunch of different information on there about all

1486
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:36,340
manner of things.

1487
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:39,190
I've got a really popular posts on there about shooting action,

1488
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:41,440
which is something that a lot of people are really interested

1489
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:41,920
in doing.

1490
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,260
And also something that a lot of people struggle with for

1491
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:45,220
various reasons.

1492
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:46,090
So that's 10 tips,

1493
00:47:46,090 --> 00:47:49,960
faction that's on my blog and what I recommend people actually

1494
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,550
start with in terms of courses,

1495
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:54,970
I have an awesome course called working with natural light and

1496
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,240
I'd felt that developed this course because I feel that people's

1497
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,050
ability to work with natural light during pet photography sessions,

1498
00:48:02,050 --> 00:48:05,920
especially is absolutely fundamental in your success.

1499
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:09,580
The ability to be able to just instantly understand what the

1500
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:10,300
light is doing,

1501
00:48:10,330 --> 00:48:14,620
the quality of the light finding spots to shoot at because

1502
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:15,160
of the light.

1503
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:15,700
So saying,

1504
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:17,920
okay, I can't shoot over there because the light's not good.

1505
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:18,970
I'll come back there later.

1506
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:21,550
It sort of helps to guide the flow of your session

1507
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:25,180
almost depending on which spots are good to shoot at as

1508
00:48:25,180 --> 00:48:27,010
the light changes throughout the afternoon.

1509
00:48:27,490 --> 00:48:31,480
So your understanding of light basically underpins everything else.

1510
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:32,800
I think if you're an outdoors,

1511
00:48:32,830 --> 00:48:34,270
natural light pet photographer,

1512
00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:37,150
and also the way that the light interacts with your pet

1513
00:48:37,150 --> 00:48:38,230
subjects as well,

1514
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:41,290
it's a little bit different than working with people because you're

1515
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:44,620
working with all manner of different shapes and sizes and colors

1516
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:45,760
of subject as well.

1517
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:49,090
So that light aspect of your photography is so important.

1518
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,250
So my course working with natural light,

1519
00:48:51,250 --> 00:48:55,360
I recommend people do that actually before they dive into real

1520
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,910
shoots because it forms a really good foundation.

1521
00:48:57,970 --> 00:49:00,250
And it also is a really good little introduction to,

1522
00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:00,580
I guess,

1523
00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:02,020
my teaching style as well.

1524
00:49:02,260 --> 00:49:04,780
So you kind of understand what to expect in.

1525
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:07,150
If you decide to jump into real shoots,

1526
00:49:07,210 --> 00:49:09,250
if you kind of enjoy the way that I present the

1527
00:49:09,250 --> 00:49:10,810
information working with natural light.

1528
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,570
Well, there's definitely more of that in real shoots as well

1529
00:49:13,570 --> 00:49:14,080
as video,

1530
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,310
which is awesome in real shoots.

1531
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:15,970
So yeah,

1532
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,840
that's the rundown.

1533
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:18,460
Awesome. I love it.

1534
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:20,470
And they can't get rid of you that easily too,

1535
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:22,360
because you're also in the academy,

1536
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,530
the hair of the dog academy,

1537
00:49:23,530 --> 00:49:25,120
giving critiques there.

1538
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:25,810
So good,

1539
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:28,420
good lots of places to keep up with new Charlotte and

1540
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:31,720
thank you again for being here with us,

1541
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:34,600
and I'm sure we'll talk to you again soon.

1542
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:36,640
Awesome. And thanks so much for having me on the Call.

1543
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:37,450
Of course,

1544
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:37,990
talk to you soon.

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00:49:39,550 --> 00:49:41,740
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00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:56,110
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00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:15,460
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00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:18,190
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00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:21,400
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1560
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,180
connect with you.

1561
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,150
Thanks for listening to the hair of the dog podcast.

1562
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,650
This was episode number 115.

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00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:30,050
If you want to check out the show notes for access

1564
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:31,940
to any of the resources that we mentioned,

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00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,250
simply go to www.hairofthedogacademy.com/

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1 1 5.

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00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:04,550
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00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:17,330
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