Nicole  
Hey, welcome to the Hair of the Dog podcast. I'm your host Nicole Begley and today we are talking about all those side hustles … not pet photography, but side hustles from pet photography. We have Kristy Trick, a good friend of mine who is a pet photographer and also founder of Modern Dog Mom. We're talking about her journey into creating the side hustle, and we're going to talk about some different options that you can maybe get started if you want to have another income stream in your business besides the pet photography specifically. Stay tuned.
 
Voiceover  
Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast. If you're a pet photographer ready to make more money and start living a life by your design, you've come to the right place. And now your host, pet photographer, travel addict, chocolate martini connoisseur Nicole Begley.
 
Nicole  
Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Hair of the Dog Podcast. I'm your host Nicole Begley and I'm here today with my friend Kristy Trick, originally from Texas now in Arkansas. Barkansas! She is photographer at Central Bark Photography and also the founder of Modern Dog Mom. Hello, Kristy. Welcome to the podcast.
 
Kristy  
Hi, Nicole. Thanks for having me … longtime listener, first-time caller
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. Love first-time callers are gonna have a good time. Yeah, so excited to have you here. So today we wanted to talk a little bit about this other business that you might have, called Modern Dog Mom. We'll get into that in a minute. But first and foremost, you're a photographer. Actually, I learned about this because you were just in Barcelona with us that I learned that you have had just about every career -- at least related to dog weddings -- under the sun. Tell us a little bit about your background how you ended up in this whole photography and now Modern Dog Mom niche.
 
Kristy  
Well, the backstory of the dog weddings thing is that when I was in college, I got my certification in diamondology because I worked in the diamond industry. And then I have a certification in floral design. I've done caterings and event management and let's see I know how to play the saxophone and the piano and the recorder …
 
Nicole
The recorder … I know it yeah, my son was in fourth grade a couple years ago so I know the recorder very well.
 
Kristy  
Yeah, and I guess I just have experience in a few things and I was told you know hey with all these skills, -- oh and calligraphy is the other one -- with all these skills you would be perfect to do dog weddings now that you're a dog photographer.
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. There's got to be so many dog weddings.
 
Kristy  
I know it would be a lot of fun.
 
Nicole  
I love it. Oh, you can start teaching people dog weddings. But yeah, so how did the whole photography piece of this start? Because obviously dog weddings maybe aren't a thing, even though that would be super awesome.
 
Kristy  
I'm seeing dog weddings that are out there on Instagram quite a few between but I don't know maybe we get something started, Nicole. 
 
Oh, but no to answer your question the pet photography thing actually, there was a seed planted in my head. Oh, many many, many years ago back when I was … I don't even remember how old I was. But my mom went through a magazine and found a photo of this little poodle that was up for adoption. She wasn't in a cage. And she had like pearls on and like a bow on her hair or something like that. And my mom showed it to me and she was like "Is this not the cutest thing" and it stuck with me because that was probably one of the very first photos of dogs that were being photographed outside of the cage for adoption photos. 
 
And, of course many many years later that became a much bigger thing to help dogs out which I think is awesome but that sort of stuck with me And so fast forward many, many years. I adopted a dog from the humane society, adopted a little Yorkie. His name was Toto and during that time I was working in the corporate marketing world as a marketing and brand manager and of course I stayed in contact with the humane society that was local to me and I was on their email list and got their paper newsletter. 
 
Clearly, way before, Facebook and all this type of stuff and was introduced to their photographer who actually took photos for their rescues and Jenny Froh outside of Dallas. And watching you know, seeing all of her photos pop up. I got an interest in doing dog photography because of that. 
 
And at one point when I left my corporate job, I found out that she was doing teaching and a dog photography retreat. And it just so happened to be when I learned about that was around the time when I was leaving my job. And I was leaving my job to take care of my mom but when I left I signed up. I called and said hey, I saw this thing is open. Do you have any spots available? And I got a call. It's like yeah, we actually do, but it starts in three days. OK, let me hop in my car and I'll drive five hours and I'll join you guys for that weekend. 
 
So that was kind of my first foray and actually getting into learning a little bit more about dog photography. And so then during that time, I was taking care of my mom while she was ill because she had dementia. I needed some sort of creative outlet. And so I went and took classes at the local community college and photography and editing and Photoshop and Lightroom and all those types of things. And it was around that time that I was also looking for some online learning tools. And look who I came across, Nicole Begley.
 
Nicole  
Who would that be? Yeah, That Hair of the Dog thing. Yeah.
 
Kristy  
I think I think Nicole had like papyrus font thing on her website, oh man. Ryan Gosling would shudder.
 
Nicole  
You can't give away that's one of my favorite things in my talks. If you guys haven't … actually I came across the Saturday Live skit. It's called Papyrus with Ryan Gosling. Not difficult to watch, because Ryan Gosling, and it's also hysterical. I actually found out about that from Kim West who was my copywriter because I had some podcasts about branding. She's like, Oh my God, have you seen this? Like no. So now it's one of my most favorite SNL skits ever. So yes, if you guys have not seen that please go Google "Papyrus SNL" and you can thank me later.
 
Kristy  
It's very comical and yeah, with Ryan Gosling, it makes it easy to watch. So yeah, so I started taking all of your courses, and then my mom had unfortunately passed away. And so it was time for me to go back to work and I didn't want to go back to a corporate environment. Like I kind of like you say, I was unemployable.
 
Nicole  
Uh huh. Funny how that happens. 
 
Kristy  
Yeah, it was like, I don't want to get in trouble for being five minutes late to work. So I just decided to take the skills that I had learned during that time off and start my own photography business, and decided that Trick Photography -- since my last name is Trick -- was a little bit too hard of a word to compete against. I didn't want people to land on a website and realize this isn't what I'm looking. So Central Bark Photography was born.
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. And yeah, so that one was that when did you start Central Bark?
 
Kristy  
Um, I probably started that around the first time the first Bark that I went to, Barkjour, wasn't that like 2017?
 
Nicole  
Yeah.
 
Kristy  
I'm like time is when I kind of started to dip my toe into it really a little bit more intense and Yeah, and so that's, that was really cool. Was that five years ago now?
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. So you seem to be a lot like me, also, Heather, that we have a lot of interests and start to go down different avenues of like, huh, this is really exciting. Let me learn this. Oh, this is really cool. Let me learn this. Oh my gosh, I want to learn this too. And all of a sudden, you're certified in all of the things dog weddings, you know, not necessarily that it was because of weddings, but you know what I mean?
 
 So tell us a little bit about … because you still have Central Bark photography, right? You started it in Texas and then you guys moved to Barkansas.
 
Kristy  
Hashtag, thank you, Sam Haddix
 
Nicole  
Yeah, well Kristy, so you guys know the Barka is the pet photography retreat I teach with Kaylee Greer and Charlotte Reeves, and we've been doing those since 2016. And we had the first one in Barcelona and Kaylee's mom came up with the name Barkelona. We're like, Oh my God. So then we got into this Barka corner where everything has to start with "bark," which has been actually pretty good until we got to Scotland. That was a pretty tough one to name but anyway, Kristy's been pushing hard for Barkansas? Did Sam come up with that one?
 
Kristy  
I think so. Yeah, he was the first one that mentioned it because I was like, oh, I need to go. Sorry, Sam. I gotta go trademark that one if you haven't got it already, but someone was actually well, I should. Yeah, I think someone's actually using it for something. Oh, yeah. Anyway.
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it.
 
Kristy  
But it's very creative. 
 
Nicole  
I love it. Anyway, yeah, I love it. So you still have your photography business going on in Arkansas. But what caused you to want to start to explore this other avenue as well? Actually, before we get there, tell us what Modern Dog Mom is.
 
Kristy  
Modern Dog Mom is basically a curated, themed collection of fun activities for dog moms to do with their dog. So something fun to do, creating some fun memories together. And then you know having some fun content for your socials or for your dog's, maybe?
 
Nicole  
Yeah, I love it. I love it because let's face it, most people that have dogs Instas probably have more followers than their own personal one.
 
Kristy  
Yeah, my my dog definitely has a lot more than I do, but he's a lot cuter too and a lot fluffier.
 
Nicole  
Love it. I love it. But yeah, so it's yeah, it's like a mail-order, like an actual physical product, this Modern Dog Mom at the moment. Which is awesome. And kind of what prompted you to start to explore and create this other brand?
 
Kristy  
Yeah, so Modern Dog Mom was born out of … well, two things really. One is that we were subscribed to another subscription box that you receive monthly that's got some dog toys and some dog treats in it, which was super fun. It was super cute. Because when I get the package, the dogs would immediately start sniffing it. And it's like they knew that you know, their super sensitive noses. They were like, Oh, this is awesome. What are they smoking? It was really cute. 
 
Until I looked around one day and I literally had like, you know, 423 toys on the ground and I'm like, some of them still had their tags on it. And I'm like, what am I going to do with all these toys because it looks like a toddler lives here. And I just decided that we didn't need to receive any more toys because we were pretty loaded in that and so I went ahead and canceled that subscription but I still enjoyed receiving the monthly boxes of something fun for the dogs that they enjoyed it, they kind of knew was for them. 
 
And so I decided, you know what, what would I want to receive if I was to receive something monthly and so I was trying to think of something fun that I could do with the dogs. But the way that this kind of happened is because being a dog photographer, I've been told I have very narrow operating range in the sense that I don't like to work in the extreme heat or the extreme cold and for me extreme really means like over 80 degrees or under 60 degrees.
 
Nicole  
I love it. So you need to move to Southern California.
 
Kristy  
Yeah, basically, but you're not gonna find me in California. Yeah. These days. And Florida's got too many hurricanes.
 
Nicole  
Yeah. Like one of my friends that lives down in Florida just posted on Facebook. She's like, I'd like to unsubscribe from the Hurricane of the Month Club, please.  That's pretty funny. But yeah, I was there and I lived there in 2003 I think we had four hit the state that year but three went over Orlando where I lived at the time, like in one year it was the third one was coming for us and then it turned out to sea and we were like "great" and then it kept turning around and came back to us. We were like "what the hell!"
 
Kristy
Maybe you have that like magnetic energy.
 
Nicole
So narrow operating range …
 
Kristy
So yeah being a photographer, that means I'm only working six months of the year. That means I've got six months to play with. So in the extreme summer months and the extreme winter months, I still need some type of a creative outlet. . And that's whenever I decided to just kind of start to put these boxes together and give me something fun to do within the pet industry. And there's something that keeps me connected to my clients and others in the pet space that are local to me and I still have something to talk about. 
 
Nicole
Yeah, yeah. What I love about this the most is that you are being true to your unemployableness and being true to how you want to design your life. And you know, no one says that any of us have to run the business 12 months out of the year. I don't shoot here July and August. My winter is also fairly slow. I will shoot a little bit in the winter especially like an urban session. But like our nature areas look kind of meh in the winter especially like Pittsburgh. Actually I didn't mind shooting in the winter because everything was like browns and grays and dead. So it's all a similar palette so it actually photographed really beautifully but down here it doesn't get cold enough to kill grass. So the grass is still green in a lot of places but there's no leaves on the tree. Sa is it spring or winter, what's going on? These don't match.
 
Kristy
You forgot to edit that part!
 
Nicole
Yeah, and then like never ever like rarely is it cloudy. Like Pittsburgh was cloudy for six months straight. So it also kind of lended itself to the grays and the tones and the cool. But here like dead trees, green grass, brilliant bright sun, no clouds in the sky, super blue bright sky and it's just like no, none of these things together photograph nice. So, yeah, in the winter, I'll just do like some, you know, down in the city or more urban sessions where you have textures and stuff like that and you're not dealing with all the dead things. But yeah, but the brilliant thing of what you've done is that you're not telling yourself like all right, yeah, I have to shoot all these other times. You know, because you know, we're doing this as a full-time job like we need to make some money but you can find some other ways to support yourself and also have a creative outlet and yeah, just create the business exactly how you'd like to. 
 
Kristy
Yeah, exactly.
 
Nicole  
Awesome. So yeah, so I give this challenge to all of you guys out there is to ask yourself, you know, what does your photography business, your ideal photography business look like? Like how much are you working? You know, is there something else that you want to do on the side too, you know, like there's, there's so many different things out there. 
 
I know there's people in my community that make bandanas, that do dog training, do dog walking … what are some of the others. I know there's some, I'm totally blanking on what some of the other people have. Oh, like, like a T shirt kind of merch shop, merchandise. 
 
Kristy
Yeah. And then there's also someone has a dog store full of dog food and … 
 
Nicole
Oh, right. True. Yep. Yeah. 
 
Kristy
So lots of different options to do stuff on the side. And you know, it's definitely, definitely you can find stuff within this pet space that feeds another interest.
 
Nicole  
Yeah, yeah, I know. I was in my most recent Office Hours, I was chatting with one of the members of the academy about this very thing about like, Hey, I feel like I want to create another revenue stream. So we were talking about just kind of brainstorming on other things she enjoys. And one of the things we thought of was teaching like pet photography or even like how to use your camera to just kind of hobbyists and people in her market, which does a couple of different things. 
 
I mean, that's basically advertising that you're getting paid for, because you're going to teach people how to use their mark or their camera, like they're people that love photography, and they're going to take a long time to get to where you are as a professional. So then they will likely hire you to create beautiful images and also teach them and all of the things that just goes around around. So yeah, there's just so many different things that we can do. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I love it. 
 
So, with Modern Dog Mom I do want to give you a shameless plug, because this is going to be going live. I don't even sugarcoat it, Kristy, I'm not even going to sugarcoat it. It is November 26 When this goes live, and the modern dog mom boxes make for fantastic client gifts, guys. So if you have clients out there that you're like, Man, I love working with them. I want to get them something for Christmas. You know this more than just like, you know, a little ornament or something like you want to create something really unique. This is it. 
 
I actually have what is my new favorite candle right here on my desk because Miss Kristy here sent me a little, a little package and it was awesome. But anyway Kristy tell them a little bit about the boxes that you have available and you know for tender client gifts or just for themselves if they want to treat themselves because I don't know about you, but whenever I go Christmas shopping I am sometimes have a little something for myself. 
 
Kristy  
Sure, why not. You're like ooh, this is good. Thank you for this shameless plug. I appreciate that. It's because yeah, last year when I did the holiday edition box, pretty much most of the people that bought them were photographers that I knew that actually bought them for their clients or their family and friends which I thought was really cool and I gotta let you know it was very, very, very awesome. So the candle that I sent you was actually part of our spa retreat collection. which was … I did it for … Yeah, for dogs but I said how often do you treat yourself.
 
But that was actually, I did that one one for Dog Mom Day. You know that one included like some massage oil or the dogs and a little massage brush that you can use to brush in all the oil and the oil actually smells so good. It's like a, it's a actually like a winning, I think it was Country Living Magazine, I think had it for one of their best, best new product type of things and it smells so good. I was actually putting it on my own skin when I was done.
 
Nicole  
Like if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me.
 
Kristy  
We're gonna smell good together. And then I have like some you know for the mom then after you massage the dog you can treat yourself with like a body polish and I think there was a warming eye mask and then that candle, that is absolutely my favorite. The one that I sent you and then the pocket lip balm. That was one of Oprah's Favorite Things for 2021. So I definitely tried to look for things that are not necessarily in big box stores, but things that are a little bit harder to find that make a good theme. 
 
And some of them are actually important from imported from like the UK. And then for my other box, which is my holiday edition box, which is great for this time of the year. I had basically the whole activity for this one was creating cookies. 
 
Nicole
I like cookies.
 
Kristy
Yeah. Who doesn't? If you don't you're lying. So you could bake cookies together and then set them out for Santa Paws. There was a little jar that that was included like a nice all-season jar that you could leave out all year and put dog treats in. There was like a little dog collar that said I ate the cookies. And then I created a cute little, like, a fill-in-the-blank letter that allows you to kind of say Hey, Santa, here's my name, here's how old I am this year, I was either very good, kind of good, or a little bit naughty, but I can explain …
 
Nicole  
Cami is in that last one …
 
Kristy  
Yeah, that's kind of what I actually checked for Freddy for last year. And then they can leave a little note for Santa what they'd like to find under the tree. And you know, just a cute little card. And that was something kind of fun and of course it's cute for taking pictures for your own personal memories as well and just something fun to do. So I'll have almost the exact box this year but there's a few things that were not available this year. So I had to make a couple of changes. Oh there was also an ornament kit where you could make a little imprint of their paw print. Oh, there's actually two activities and that was … so there's something fun and then you get things to keep to remember your time together
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. That's actually … the Christmas ornaments is actually where Cami ran into the most trouble recently. We put up our Christmas tree and the one Christmas tree --  we have two, one that has like all the ornaments of like different travels and some pictures and whatever and the other one's purely decorative in my living room-kitchen area that like has the colors that kind of match the decor in there. I've always wanted a decorative tree and when COVID happened, I'm like, that's it we're a two Christmas tree family now, I don't care that's just it. Where are we gonna keep it? I'm like, we'll find room, I don't care because we don't have a basement or like it doesn't fit in the house like we don't need it but it's not that big of a tree.
 
Regardless, Cami thinks the balls, the whatever, ornaments on the trees, the balls are her toys and I purposely didn't put them very low. And then I went into the kitchen and she's like eaten half of one. I'm like, oh my god, she's part goat. =I moved them up higher. And then she got another one down. I was like how and then my daughter walked in there and saw her, she's standing like a deer on her back legs like reaching up pulling them off the tree. I was like, God stop, stop. And so our cart decorative Christmas tree now has just like all the balls and ornaments on the top third.
 
Kristy  
Okay, I gotta see a picture of this.
 
Nicole  
It's ridiculous. It's so ugly like, oh god I hope this is just puppy behavior. Thankfully, thankfully, she is like a legitimate goat. Like this dog eats so many things. And it's just like, oh, and then later that day as she ate the plastic and like there's big pieces, but I'm putting the pieces back together and I'm like, oh this does not make a full ornament. You have ingested some of this plastic. Thankfully not a problem at all.
 
But still that same day we went outside and I have some bird feeders and it rained a whole bunch so we had some mealworms out because we have a whole bunch of bluebirds live in our yard but they got flooded because of the rains and my husband instead of throwing them away just dumped it on the ground. Cami's like "these are delicious." She goes back yard goes straight for the mealworms just like nom nom nom nom nom. So the next day, I'm out there and you know, it's morning poop time and I'm like, all right, I pick it off and it's in the bag and I'm going through it all like if there's the mealworms, there's the plastic. OK, we're good here. Good god, dog, she's trouble. So she on her Santa Claus note has been naughty. It's still cute
 
Kristy  
isn't it funny how it's like the dogs can do that? Like watching Freddy eat his food is so cute but if I see an adult doing it, I'm like "stop it."
 
Nicole  
Haha, I know. I know! My dog can be licking themselves and like if anyone in my family opens their mouth even like a little tiny bit while they have they dinner, I'm like "close your mouth" but the dog, aw, she's so cute.
 
Kristy
You can get away with so much.
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. All right, anyway, tangent, tangent. We go down the tangents on this podcast, that happens. Jumping back to Modern Dog Mom. Going back to the beginning and when you were like thinking about this, it's like I have my photography business. I want to do this other thing. Did you have a lot of kind of doubts. Was it hard to take action? Was it like how was your mindset around those things? Or were you just like, blazing forward and super excited?
 
Kristy  
I think because I had kind of had I've kind of been wanting to do something on the side for a while and then I just had a spark of you know, sometimes just listening to your gut. Just do it. Just do it. Just plunk the money down. Go buy the stuff, give it a go see what happens if it sticks, it sticks and if not you know move on to something else.
 
Nicole  
So you've been thinking about it for a long time. Like when you have those ideas that will kind of go away. Like you kind of have to have to give it a shot and it doesn't work. You can at least be like oh, do I change it, keep going or do we move on to something else?
 
Kristy  
But yeah, that's pretty much pretty much what I did. I mean, like, in the prior pats, I had this really strong desire to start a blog and so I used to have like a creative blog of date night ideas.And just fun things to go do that, you know, just trying to help people come up with some fun things to go do for date night and then took off with that one and it actually started doing pretty well financially, but then personal reasons anyway, I set that aside and it also gave me some experience in blogging, oh blogging about dog weddings!
 
Nicole  
All the affiliate income for blogging for dog weddings.
 
Kristy  
Yeah, the and that's pretty much what I started doing. I you know, I started getting to the point where it's like, Hey, would you like to drive this nice brand new vehicle to you know, on your trip for this weekend and then you can write about it and do stories and all that fun stuff. And yeah, but in the beginning, I just it was just one of those things where it's like, just give it a go. Let's just see what happens. 
 
And I really I have found that I really like coming up with these themed ideas. I put together a huge Trello board. Thank you for that, Nicole, and put together particular board and I had come up with probably 12 to 18 different collection ideas and things and I'm like let's just give it a go and start with one and see what happens and then I did another one and you know things got busy again and you know went to two Barkas this year. And so yeah, and I've been at several people have asked me it's like, Hey, are you gonna have holiday edition again this year? And I'm like, Yeah, let's do it. And so I decided to get it going again and then now just decided to keep going. So now I've got two more in the pipeline coming up behind it. A little bit different as well. Yeah.
 
Nicole  
Awesome. Yeah, I love it. I love it. I love it. Well, before we wrap up, do you have any advice for anyone out there other pet photographers that might be in your shoes where you were, you know, couple years ago? Any advice for them?
 
Kristy  
Oh, I think if you're looking to start something outside of your business outside of pet photography, that's … that you've that's just been kind of nagging at you just maybe get some close friends or you know someone maybe even within like the Hair of the Dog community that can relate to this dog related and, and just throw it out there and just see what people's thoughts and feedback are. And you know, you might even get some ideas to expand beyond that whenever you pull people's thoughts and ideas together that that might help you out but just just see what people have to say about it. It's always good to kind of test the market and kind of make sure that there's some type of interest in it.
 
Nicole  
Did you do some like market research like that before you started Modern Dog Mom?
 
Kristy  
I did. I actually am in you know, like you said before I kind of had a whole bunch of things going on and I like to be that, I'm like a lifetime learner. It's actually kind of distracting and helps me lose focus, which is not a good thing. And that's a topic for another day. 
 
Nicole  
Have to get Heather on the podcast and get you straight. And me tot, I should be on that one. 
 
Kristy  
I think I think we're all a part of that fan club actually but the oh gosh, what was your question? 
 
Nicole  
Just the market research when you were getting ready to do Modern Dog Mom.
 
Kristy  
Yes, exactly. Um, I have ADOS which is Attention Deficit Oh, Squirrel!
 
Nicole
I love it. 
 
Kristy
But yeah, so I was in another group in Facebook that was about the memberships type stuff, which was kind of along the lines of this subscription box group and membership groups and those types of things. And I just called all the dog moms and said, Hey, can I send you a link to just a quick, you know, four-question survey to see what your thoughts are, and how a whole bunch of concepts and ideas and  which would you like and what would you not like type of thing and had probably 30 responses on there, and was able to kind of gauge people's interest and what they thought and most of the people, probably 20 to the 30 were like, Yeah, that sounds great, it'd be exciting. And then I also collected their emails so I can be like, hey, if you'd like to learn about this, if I launch it, too, also started my email list in a time. Yeah. So yeah, it's definitely it's definitely good to kind of get out and see that there was an interest in something that was not currently well, not currently on the market at that time. But there's you know, all sorts of fun pet-related boxes out there so …
 
Nicole  
But not as cool as yours.
 
Kristy  
Thanks, Nicole. I'm glad you like your box.
 
Nicole  
All right, well, cool. Awesome. Hopefully this gave you some ideas guys, or if you've been having this little idea in the back of your head nine at you that maybe it gives you a little bit more motivation to get out there and, and start to see where you can take that, especially as most of us are coming into the winter season where maybe photography isn't as busy after the holidays, might have a little bit of time to kind of start to dig into something else creative and fun. So anyway, definitely check that out and Kristy, how can people find you and how can they learn more about the boxes if they're like, oh, man, I know exactly who I'm going to buy one of these suckers for.
 
Kristy  
Modern dog mom can be found at modern dog mom.com And also on Facebook and on Instagram. It's @moderndogmombox because the other one was not available as we all know how that is and I'll also just say that hey, if you guys are building some content for your websites about gift guides feel free to throw a link in there if you'd like to, you know have something that's fun for your people for some gift guides. So that's where you can find me at Modern Dog Mom or you can find me online at Central Bark Photo or Central Bark Photography. I think they work in the same place dot com and also Facebook and Instagram and Pinterest. And yeah, you'll be able to see some photos maybe from my most recent Barka trip as well.
 
Nicole  
I love it. I love it. That's another shameless plug. Thank you. Anyway, yeah, if you guys want to join us on future Barkas go to petphotographyretreats.com and jump on the waitlist, nothing going on in 2023. We have a big announcement coming up for 2024.
 
Kristy  
Don't wanna miss that!
 
Nicole  
Anyway, all right, Kristy. It was a pleasure chatting with you. Loved just learning more about your thought process and how your journey was to create these boxes. And hope this inspired you guys out there and we will talk to you all soon. Kristy thanks for being here with us.
 
Kristy  
Thanks, Nicole. Appreciate it.
 
Nicole  
Bye, everybody. See you next week. 
 
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