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Nicole

Hey there. Welcome back to the Hair of the Dog podcast. I'm your host, Nicole Begley. And in today's episode, we are digging into the lessons that I learned with a complete and total rehab of a rental house project. Now, I had no experience rehabbing houses. This was new to me. We purposely got this house because it looked like it was just going to be a cosmetic update.

 

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Nicole

It turned out it was a full rehab, but that's okay because I learned a lot of incredible lessons. And coincidentally, all of those lessons can be applied to lessons for our photography business or even just our photography craft. So anyway, stay tuned. This is an incredible episode and I, of course, brought my friend Heather on so we could dove into all of these lessons together.

 

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Nicole

Enjoy.

 

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Voiceover

Welcome to the hair of the Dog podcast. If you're a pet photographer ready to make more money and start living a life by your design, you've come to the right place. And now your hope. Pet photographers, travel addict, chocolate martini connoisseur, Nicole Begley.

 

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Nicole

Hey, everybody. Nicole here from Hair of the Dog. And I'm back once again with the one, the only. Heather Lahtinen. Welcome back to the podcast, Heather.

 

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Heather

Thank you so much for having me, Nicole. My favorite days, I call them Nicole Days. here we are.

 

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Nicole

Oh, Yep, yep. And today is one of those I'm spoiler alert. We are batching  because we like productivity and we are about to record three podcast episodes. So I am hanging out all morning with my best buddy Heather.

 

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Heather

I love it. This is going to be so fun. Okay, so what are we talking about first?

 

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Nicole

What are we. Okay. All right. So I did this as a super quick seven minute Instagram live back in September, and I was like, this really needs to be expanded upon in the podcast. And I thought about just doing a solo episode, but quite frankly, solo episodes are really not that much fun, and I would much rather chat with you about these things.

 

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Nicole

So we are diving deep into the five lessons that I learned rehabbing a rental house.

 

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Heather

Oh, wow. Okay. I love this because I'm very curious about real estate and having a rental house. And I love that you do everything first so you can figure out all of the issues and problems. And then if I decide to go that route, you can teach me.

 

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Nicole

I love it. I love it. Yes. No. Real estate has been something we've been interested in for quite a while and we've like dabbled in. We have a rental house in Alabama that we purchased, oh gosh, six years ago maybe. But that was kind of a turnkey rental purchase where we didn't do any of the rehab. We like bought the house and started renting it out.

 

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Nicole

And we chose Alabama because the numbers worked. And also they have very friendly landlord laws.

 

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Heather

I love Alabama. By the way, we traveled you there at least once or twice a year, and I love it.

 

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Nicole

I've actually never been. Never been to the South.

 

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Heather

Never been to your own rental house

 

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Nicole

No. No.

 

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Heather

Sure haven't. Oh, that one's totally hands off, then.

 

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Nicole

100%. Well in the new one is now now that the rehab is done because we choose to hire property managers, because I don't have space in my life for a 2 a.m. phone call around like Friday. Me mean broken.

 

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Heather

Yeah, that's my fear, by the way.

 

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Nicole

Yeah, yeah, well, yeah. Well, there's ways to work around that, which is not a lesson on the thing, but it should be. One of the lessons is that there are ways to set up your business, your life, four ways that work for you. So if you don't want that to a phone call that the toilets clogged, well then you can hire a property manager and then just make sure you work all those numbers to make sure that the numbers still work.

 

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Heather

Okay, this is interesting. So this is going to be a bonus lesson right at the beginning, because I wonder how many people want to start a photography business or grow a business. And there's this one thought that prevents them from moving forward. So my one thought about real estate is I don't want the 2 a.m. call because I have that thought and I don't even question how to work around it.

 

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Heather

I just don't do it. I don't take any action. And then the result is I have no rental house, right?

 

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Nicole

Right. Right.

 

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Heather

But if I took the time to talk it out with you and you said, Heather, what, what's the fear? And I said, two and phone calls. And then you explained to me this thing about property management. I'd be like, Oh, I didn't. I guess I guess I knew that was a thing. But I just I didn't I don't know.

 

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Heather

I didn't think about it. So in regards to a photography business, I want everyone to ask themselves, what is the thought that you're not even questioning.

 

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Nicole

In this could be photography business or learning the craft, whatever it is that you want to do that you haven't done yet or you haven't started on, what's the one thing that you feel like is the main roadblock holding you back?

 

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Heather

Oh, good question. What is the main roadblock or the biggest challenge that is preventing you from moving forward? And could we chat about it and just question it like, is that actually true? You know, a really easy example of this is when someone says, oh, Heather, you don't understand my market. People won't pay that in, so they just don't move forward with maybe yps.

 

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Nicole

Mm hmm.

 

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Heather

Because or another one is. It takes too much time.

 

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Nicole

Yeah, right.

 

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Heather

And I don't want it. So they never even explore the possibility because of this one site that blocks literally everything. This is so fascinating. And what's even more interesting is this was not on our agenda at all.

 

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Nicole

No, no. If as most things go with our conversations, we go down some rabbit holes. There's one more example that I just feel like I have to pull out for you, and that is your belief that turning your business to file as an S corp will be hard.

 

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Heather

Okay. Thank you, my friend. So recently my accountant Nicole and I share an accountant, which is actually very convenient because we have similar businesses and they're they're a little bit different than his traditional brick and mortar. So it's actually really helpful. But I spoke to him recently and he said, Heather, it's he's been telling me for a couple of years, but he's like, no, really, it's time if you switch to an escort, you will save this amount of money in taxes.

 

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Heather

And it doesn't make sense for everyone to go to an escort. Right? It depends on your growth and where you're at. It just makes sense for me. I'm an LLC right now and he showed it to me and I immediately, you know, got on the phone with you and I'm like, I'm I'm all dejected and I'm like, this is going to be so hard.

 

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Heather

Nicole I don't know how it's going to be complicated. This is challenging. It's just one more thing you have to do. What do you mean? I have to set up payroll. I've never done payroll. I don't know how to do that. This litany of excuses and rainy.

 

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Nicole

Like Heather, it is one form you print off from the IRS website and you sign and you mail to them and then it is just setting up payroll for something super easy, like gusto. That literally takes 10 minutes.

 

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Heather

And you know, I don't know if I am proud or embarrassed to say that I actually took this situation to my coach. So I have a coach and it was it was great. I mean, I get some great advice and the coach asked me, you know, what is the problem or what is the circumstance? Well, it's an S corp.

 

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Heather

And he said, What are you thinking about it? I said, This is going to be really hard. And then when you feel like something's going to be hard, you don't take action because you feel.

 

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Nicole

100% right. Right.

 

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Heather

And so then nothing happens. And, you know, this is what got me when he said hard is a choice. Challenging, difficult. That's a choice. Are there going to be a few steps involved to make this change? Sure. You have a team to help you. You have resource says.

 

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Nicole

But you have your best friend Nicole.

 

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Heather

It is literally.

 

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Nicole

How do I do this? Not only have.

 

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Heather

You, I have you with our accountant.

 

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Nicole

Yeah, right.

 

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Heather

There's just no plus we have the interwebs. I mean, I can search anything.

 

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Nicole

And just what a shameless plug and you need to go listen to it too. Yesterday in the hair, the Dog Academy, I hosted a call with Tiffany Bastian, who is an enrolled agent for the IRS. She helps photographers with their taxes. And we had a whole big, long conversation about escorts.

 

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Heather

So no kidding. Okay, I will definitely do the replay. So anyway, my coach pointed out to me that challenging or hard or difficult or easy for that matter, is a choice. What choice do you want to make? And I was like, okay, here we go. So what I did that day was I reached out to our accountant and I said, essentially, and I quote, Let's go.

 

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Nicole

Let's go do it.

 

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Heather

Let's make it happen. And I am trusting myself in that. I have you and him as a resource and that it's just well, I'll tell you how he got me was he showed me the number.

 

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Nicole

Yeah.

 

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Heather

And he was like, you're paying this much more in taxes and you would need to pay if you were filing. This is an S corp. And I said, Dang. And he said, Do you plan to grow your business? And I said, I want to double it next year. And he said, Well, you want to double your tax spend or a lot.

 

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Heather

And I loved having people in my life resources. This is an important message, really. You shouldn't try to go this alone like it doesn't make sense.

 

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Nicole

And you're getting ahead to lesson four. That's right. We'll start. We'll really go. Let's go. Let's start with lesson number one, obviously known as lesson number four. It's like currency has a just like fancy symbol now for the right lesson anyway, which is to seek the advice of experts when you are working on something new. So for the rental property, I didn't just go out and buy a property by myself like I had a realtor in there.

 

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Nicole

How I found this realtor was that, you know, I was looking into do we want to do a long term rental or do we want to do a corporate short term rental? So it's like a medium term rental. And I was looking on Airbnb because you can search R&B for 30 to 60 plus day rentals, but more like these corporate furnished rentals.

 

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Nicole

And I found this cute little house in Kannapolis, which is where we were looking to purchase our rental home. And the person that owned the house was a realtor, and she had a couple other things too. I'm like, Oh, this is my girl. And so I contacted her and because I knew she knew investments, it wasn't just, you know, you need a little bit of a different realtor for somebody that's looking for an investment potential, then, you know, you're single, family home sure to live in.

 

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Nicole

So yeah. So I found her and I was pretty find she's like, How did you find me? I'm like, Well, I was going through Airbnb and then I saw your listing and then I saw you're a realtor. And then I figured you and I looked you up and this and that's just like, Oh, my God, I love the story.

 

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Heather

Yeah, you did.

 

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Nicole

Yeah, I promise I'm not a stalker. But then, small world, she stopped by. I had to get something to or from her at some point, maybe a check for closing or something. But she was going to swing by and pick it up at the barn where I keep my horses. Barn, not bar. Everyone thinks I always say like I know I like chasing martinis.

 

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Nicole

I don't spend that much time at the bar that's usually on my own porch. But anyway, she stopped by and she used to ride horses and she used to horse show at the barn where my horses live now.

 

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Heather

No kidding. Small world. Yeah, small world. But it's nice to make that connection. Okay, so you saw Owl someone to help you make a decision on how you were going to structure. Excuse me? Structure this rental, correct?

 

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Nicole

Yes. Yeah. So the realtor and then also a property manager, because the property manager knows what the rental prices are going at, like who the typical tenant is, like all the different things, what is, you know, I asked the property manager, Hey, do I need to put a washer dryer in there? They're like, No, they bring their own like, Great.

 

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Nicole

You know. So having having someone well, of course, the other expert is of course, my contractor. There's no way I could have done this without him.

 

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Heather

Okay, I need to back you up just a second. You found a property manager, but see in my mind and remember Heather equals simple in my mind I'm like, What do you mean? You found a property? Like, how does one find a property manager? I don't even know where to start with that.

 

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Nicole

One joins a local investor Facebook group that is free and has lots of conversations and asks, Hey, who do you guys recommend for property managers in the Kannapolis area? These are.

 

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Heather

Similarities because it's literally that simple.

 

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Nicole

Ask and then for my contractor because one of the other big hang ups is like, Oh my gosh, I'll never find a good contractor. Like you hear all these horror stories of just working with contractors. And I asked my real estate agent because she had rehabbed that Airbnb that she owned and people, you know, rehab houses in this part of town all the time.

 

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Nicole

And she had a couple of recommendations for me, and this one guy was fantastic. And at 100%, use him again.

 

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Heather

Oh, my gosh. Do you feel like you hit the jackpot with that one?

 

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Nicole

Yes.

 

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Heather

Because I don't know what it's like in Charlotte, but in Pittsburgh right now, it is impossible to find a decent contractor. At least I hear this from my friends who are doing different renovations that like they don't get back to you and you you can't even you literally can't even find someone to pay to do work for you, right?

 

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Nicole

No, it's very challenging. And then finding someone that you trust. Right, especially when you're running a rehab where you're not going to be on site very often. Right? Yeah.

 

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Heather

So okay.

 

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Nicole

So reason number one, seeking advice from our experts, which in photography is, you know, not trying to do this by yourself because guess what? There's lots of people that have been there. And whether you choose to get your education for myself or Heather or somebody else, like I don't care who you choose, find a mentor that you connect with and seek help.

 

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Heather

Yes. It's just not not smart or prudent or wise use of your time to do otherwise because you will spin your wheels for months, if not years. And worse than that is, you will always be wondering if you're getting good advice, like if you search your net or YouTube, right? You're always like, well, I mean, that's what they're saying.

 

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Heather

How can I be sure that's correct? I think finding an expert means seeking out someone that you trust. The you know, you you can ask them questions and and maybe join a group. I just I remember when I first started, I was so headstrong, stubborn, prideful, and I was just going to do everything on my own. I'm just going to figure all of this out.

 

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Heather

Well, I learned really quickly that being on an island is no fun.

 

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Nicole

Right? Right.

 

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Heather

Yeah. And you're just. You're just going to make mistakes that. Okay, you're going to make mistakes no matter what. But why make the ones you could have avoided exactly right.

 

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Nicole

Exactly. For sure. And, you know, as you're looking to figure out who you want to help you along this journey, the one kind of red flag that I recommend that people look out for is looking for mentors that help you create your business that fits for you. So if you ever run into somebody that's telling you it has to be done this one way.

 

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Nicole

Yes. Like I would keep looking because. Yes, if someone saying, well, this is a best practice, okay, now that's legit. That's a best practice, but it doesn't mean you have to do it that way. There is no one size fits all solution for craft or business in the photography world or really any world. I.

 

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Heather

I could not agree more in the way I teach something like pricing is people will say, well, do you teach apps or digital? And I say, I don't care how you sell your photos. There's a million different ways. There are many hybrid models in between. I will never tell you that you have to do it. Actually, I got to tell you, years ago, you opened my eyes to this concept.

 

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Heather

This was you, this was you. That did this. And I'm just now putting this all together and it seems silly, but it was Lightroom, so I was teaching everyone how to organize their photos on their hard drive, and I was, I was, I didn't say it was for everyone, but I was pretty hardcore convinced that it was, that it was the best way.

 

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Heather

And you said to me, Actually, I do it this way. Or maybe it was importing, I don't know, it was something around Lightroom and you said, I do it this way and of course I respect you. And I'm like, Okay, Nicole does it that way and it works for her. Is it possible that there are multiple ways to achieve this?

 

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Heather

And something flipped for me. This was years ago that I thought, Oh man, I've got to make sure that when I'm teaching or mentoring, I'm keeping possibilities open and allowing people to be creative in their own right with their approach to their business and their craft. Mm hmm. That by you know, setting standards or, like, you know, this is the way you do it did not serve them.

 

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Heather

And and it was that event, the Lightroom event. Isn't that funny? I just now put that together. Thank you for that.

 

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Nicole

You're very welcome. You're very welcome. All right. Well, that kind of dovetails into number two, which is going to be mistakes are going to happen for sure.

 

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Heather

So tell me about some of your mistakes.

 

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Nicole

Oh, my goodness. Let's talk about how many times I had to return things to Home Depot because I ordered the wrong size or the wrong finish. You know, there I made a very costly mistake, actually. Turned out to be after the house was done just over the past couple of weeks. Our tenant moved in October 15th and shortly thereafter within like two weeks, like all the sewage was back in the lot.

 

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Heather

So why is it always sewage?

 

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Nicole

Why, you know, so the lesson learned that, you know, and I was like, what the heck? I'm checking my property manager. I'm like, we replaced all the plumbing. Like there is all new plumbing in the whole house. That's what we didn't replace. Oh, the main sewer line from the house to the road, which is cast iron. It should be fine, but we should have it next time.

 

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Nicole

I will make sure that that line is clean before we close up the house and finish that up, because this house was vacant for almost two years before we started to rehab it. So nothing has been going through that sewer line for a year and there was a root ball in it that we had to install a clean out and then flush that line and thankfully we don't have to totally re dig and like re put in that new line.

 

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Nicole

We were able to fix it, but it was still a several thousand dollar fix.

 

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Heather

House shoot man so next time you'll just send a camera down there to make sure. Yeah.

 

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Nicole

We'll just. Yeah. When, when we're rehabbing the house, we will just go ahead and just double check that, that to make sure it is good. Then thankfully there is no damage inside the house and it was just kind of backed up in the tub and you know, oh.

 

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Heather

My God, that's always the sewer.

 

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Nicole

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, lots of mistakes. But again, a mistake is just an opportunity to learn and just start again with more information next time. So why don't we do this again? Because that actually was really, really fun. I like I loved seeing the it's kind of like when you edit a photo, right? It's like this kind of underwhelming, raw image.

 

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Nicole

And then you have your final image. You're like, I can't believe I turned that into.

 

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Heather

This amazing is.

 

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Nicole

Amazing. And so it's like that with that house, it was like this old dated just, you know, like really dated. I mean, I'm talking there was like a 1950s stove in there, like a Westinghouse, like, just antique.

 

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Heather

Yeah, but they last forever, man. It was.

 

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Nicole

Still working. But anyway. Yeah, so, like, being able to take it from this house, that was kind of like, you know, and very, very sad and dated and just really not clean to this beautiful place. So I'm like, man, I would totally live here.

 

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Heather

Yeah. So you're saying, like, you're going to make mistakes and, quote, failures are going to happen and you're going to learn and you'll be in a better place and you'll move forward. I want to say that somebody said to me the other day they were it was was either in a coaching car elevate. They said they were so frustrated because they're like, I've made mistakes, right?

 

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Heather

And now it's like I'm starting over. I can't believe I have to start over. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're not starting over because you're not going. You're not at the same point. You're not going back. You're going forward from a new reference point. And actually just talking her through that shifted her. She was so distraught, like frustrated about this concept of starting over.

 

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Heather

When I helped her reframe it to new reference point, she felt great. And then guess what she did? She just moved forward, took action and got it done. It's just the thinking around that that kind of like sends us sort of sideways. You're not starting over. Any misstep is still helping you to move forward?

 

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Nicole

Yes, 100%. Yeah. Okay, great. Yeah. All right. Number three, the three things take time and they are going to take more time when you're learning them.

 

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Heather

Oh, I don't want it to be time. I want it right now.

 

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Nicole

Yes. You don't have a choice there, Heather. It will get faster. You know, I think back to when you first started, like learning Photoshop and editing photos and how long like how long did it take you to edit your first wedding?

 

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Heather

Oh, my gosh, I. I wish I knew the real answer to this, but I have to say, it was months. I'm not kidding. It took a long time.

 

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Nicole

Right? Right. And now, I mean, the most recent wedding you shot, wouldn't you have all your workflows? You have just your routine. You know what you're doing. You know what your what you want to do to these images. It's like, boom, you can knock that 8 hours.

 

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Heather

Actually, I did time. I started timing everything. It's one point in. So I had 3000 images from a wedding. I delivered six, 650, I believe, and it took me 8 hours. I timed it.

 

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Nicole

Yeah. Nice, yeah, nice. Nice. As a photographer that seems really, really long. But I've never shot that many images from one session.

 

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Heather

Yeah, my goal when working with portrait and photographers is I'm like, Listen, you should have every single one of those sessions edited in an hour.

 

00;22;18;26 - 00;22;40;16

Nicole

Yeah, that's my goal. One an hour, some. If there's a lot of work. Yeah. Like, you know, there is one actually that had, I think I had 65 images total is two dogs that every single one had a leash because they had to be on leash. So that actually took me hardly any time because I outsourced it. Oh, you got help?

 

00;22;40;28 - 00;22;55;22

Nicole

Yes, exactly. Exactly. But yeah, no. As you learn, it becomes so much faster. So just just keep on keep on doing it. Because I wonder if the only way to really get faster, that's for sure.

 

00;22;56;00 - 00;23;09;09

Heather

Is practice. Right? So I wonder if people could reframe this instead of thinking, Oh my gosh, this is taking so long. I'm so slow. If you could say to yourself, I'm learning, and this is actually the slowest I'll ever be.

 

00;23;10;07 - 00;23;10;14

Nicole

Like.

 

00;23;10;14 - 00;23;37;19

Heather

Right now in this moment is the slowest I'll ever be. I will continually improve and get faster. So instead of being, you know, all down trodden about it, you could be hopeful. You could just shift the the emotion to me. I'm going to get faster. I mean, listen, as long as you continue to shoot and edit, everything's going to get faster, easier, more efficient, you'll be more effective.

 

00;23;37;19 - 00;23;53;13

Heather

Everything is going to improve. Isn't that exciting? Couldn't you look forward to that instead of saying, Oh, my gosh, I'm the worst, I'm so slow, Heather, you don't understand. This takes me so long. Oh, okay. Let's clean up your thinking around that and just focus on how much better you're getting.

 

00;23;54;02 - 00;24;14;21

Nicole

Yeah, I love that. I love that. Number four kind of similar. And that is we started to touch on this at the very beginning, but don't wait until you know how to do something right. So like, you can't wait to start to remove a leash until you like know all of the different techniques and know all of the different things.

 

00;24;14;21 - 00;24;40;19

Nicole

Like now learn something and just go, yeah, start. You know, when I started this, this whole little rehab, one of the reasons actually we chose this house is we're like, Oh, I think it's just some cosmetic rehab. I don't think it's a full on like, you know, like because you see some of these houses where it's like there's a hoarder that was living and they're like, it is disgusting.

 

00;24;40;19 - 00;25;02;24

Nicole

It is like a full gut renovation job. And I'm like, I can't handle that for my first run. It turns out, guess what I got? Oh, not even to wiring. Oh, really? Old plumbing, all the things, new roof, like literally everything. Everything. The only thing that wasn't replaced was the air conditioner and the HVAC still worked great. So thumbs up for that.

 

00;25;03;00 - 00;25;11;23

Nicole

Wow. But. But, yeah, like, if I had waited till I knew all this, I would have never done this. And.

 

00;25;11;24 - 00;25;33;00

Heather

Oh, that's such a good concept. Nicole actually just recorded a video and elevate around this idea of How do I do that? Like, how do I start a business? How do I rent a house? How do I do that? And you're waiting till you know how so that you can do how, but the how is actually learned through the action that you take.

 

00;25;33;08 - 00;25;47;09

Heather

The how is only ever revealed through action and result. Mm So I actually instituted a new rule in Elevate recently. They're not allowed to ask how.

 

00;25;47;21 - 00;25;49;13

Nicole

Oh.

 

00;25;49;13 - 00;26;00;20

Heather

Okay. I'm being funny, but no, but sometimes serious. They'll say, you know, how do I meet people? What? What do you mean? You go meet people?

 

00;26;00;21 - 00;26;01;02

Nicole

Like.

 

00;26;02;11 - 00;26;16;15

Heather

How do you how do you learn how to gut a house and rent it? You have to do it right. What this reminds me of our mentor told a similar metaphor, which is like, I can give you a book diagrams and videos on how to swim, but.

 

00;26;16;21 - 00;26;17;07

Nicole

Your ass.

 

00;26;17;07 - 00;26;30;08

Heather

Is in the water. It's not going to matter, right? I can teach you about buoyancy and how to breathe and all of those things, but until you're thrown in the water, that's when you learn how to swim. I don't know how to ride a unicycle.

 

00;26;31;00 - 00;26;32;02

Nicole

Right? Right.

 

00;26;32;23 - 00;26;37;19

Heather

But if you gave me a unicycle, I got to really get my hands on one because I use this. I use this.

 

00;26;37;25 - 00;26;42;15

Nicole

Going to get one of like the really no that's a that has two ls the big wheel is thinking the old fashioned big wheel.

 

00;26;42;18 - 00;26;42;29

Heather

Right.

 

00;26;42;29 - 00;26;49;00

Nicole

Right. Are you running around your homestead on that. You imagine by all your chickens.

 

00;26;49;09 - 00;26;54;29

Heather

Oh my word. But you know, I just think to myself, if I wanted to learn how to ride a unicycle, I would just have to get on it.

 

00;26;55;16 - 00;26;55;25

Nicole

Right?

 

00;26;56;03 - 00;27;10;24

Heather

Right. So that how is only ever revealed through the doing. So you have to take the action to do it. So if you are waiting to learn and know everything that's just a fool's errand because you'll be waiting forever. It'll never happen. Right?

 

00;27;11;00 - 00;27;30;16

Nicole

Right. And you know, when you use this one in conjunction with number one, seeking the advice from experts, oh, it works really, really well because things would happen in the house. Like, for instance, that wall would not be straight at all. And then the the countertop was supposed to go to the wall, but it looked ridiculous because it was totally bowed out.

 

00;27;31;07 - 00;27;36;03

Nicole

Okay, we have this problem and it's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, What are our options?

 

00;27;36;20 - 00;27;37;18

Heather

How about you fix it?

 

00;27;37;27 - 00;28;00;09

Nicole

Like, I don't know. You would tell me my options and I'm like, What would you recommend? Okay, great. Well, let's do that. So and the whole time I'm learning these things, but there's no way, like you can't even see what potential pitfalls are going to come up, you know, like you don't actually know the state of the House until you start pulling back some walls.

 

00;28;00;10 - 00;28;07;09

Nicole

You're like, Oh, look at that termite damage. Okay, let's replace some of those some of those beams. Okay.

 

00;28;07;09 - 00;28;26;12

Heather

But let me ask you this, because there are people who say like, oh, okay, those people are me. It would say, I don't know how to to buy a got to do a Random House. Like, I don't know how to do all of that. The reason I'm saying that is because I've never done it. But the thing is, you had never done it either.

 

00;28;26;12 - 00;28;43;15

Heather

So how did you get past this idea of like, I don't know how to do this. I mean, I know I can figure it out and get help, but I don't know what was what was like at your core thinking that propelled you to actually make the purchase?

 

00;28;44;00 - 00;29;05;23

Nicole

Well, it's easy. It's looking forward to the end result and knowing that what this rental house will do for future retirement, for just future income, just knowing what the what the goal was. So you set your own vision? Yeah. Yeah. My goal was to have other streams of income for retirement. So I'm not just beholden to whatever the market's doing.

 

00;29;06;05 - 00;29;24;29

Nicole

So, yeah, that was that was easy. Once you're clear on that vision, it's either, hell, yes, I want to do this or it's not worth all this effort. And this was a hell yes. So, I mean, no matter what kind of roadblocks came up, I was going to figure it out.

 

00;29;24;29 - 00;29;45;25

Heather

Okay. But hang on. I think there's another component here because you had your eye on the vision, which is really smart, because then you can figure out the how. But they're also had to be some level of trust in yourself or belief that you could figure it out because it wouldn't matter to the vision if I thought I couldn't do it, I wouldn't do it.

 

00;29;46;14 - 00;30;17;20

Nicole

Right, right. Yeah. No, there probably is. You know, and I think having that experience with our house in Alabama and seeing the the increase in equity that it's created and the just the monthly income that it creates from what we ended up putting into that, it's just like, oh no, we need, we need more of these. So like, you know, we got our feet wet with that.

 

00;30;18;12 - 00;30;42;08

Nicole

So it was, you know, that helps give you a little bit of confidence. And quite frankly, you know, you can go to the worst case scenario is like what's the worst case scenario? Oh, I buy a house and I have to resell it. You know, maybe maybe you lose a little bit of money. But quite frankly, you know, that everything's appreciating here so quickly that like, we could have sold it at any point during the construction process and probably not lost money on it.

 

00;30;42;13 - 00;31;02;14

Heather

Right? Right. Actually, I would take that one step further. I love this idea. I was teaching it yesterday around worst case scenario. So, you know, if you can emotionally digest the worst case scenario, such as I would just have to sell it. Or in the case of a photography business, I go back to a job. Right. That's the worst case scenario, actually.

 

00;31;02;14 - 00;31;14;24

Heather

I don't think that's the worst case scenario. I think the worst case scenario is a feeling and that's what we're trying to avoid. So you sell the house, you go back to work, whatever it is, you feel disappointed.

 

00;31;15;21 - 00;31;16;05

Nicole

Right?

 

00;31;16;14 - 00;31;32;14

Heather

If the worst case scenario is not a circumstance because they're neutral, that's just what it is. If the worst case scenario is, I'm going to feel disappointed. Sign me up. I mean, I can handle that, right? The worst case scenario is a feeling.

 

00;31;32;24 - 00;31;47;13

Nicole

Right? Well, and then on the contrary side of that, the worst case scenario of not moving forward, it is is it is this feeling of regret, which is stronger than a feeling of like, oh, I messed that up or disappointed or that didn't work out as I had hoped that.

 

00;31;48;00 - 00;32;01;27

Heather

Well said on either end of this, it's a feeling, it's an emotion. So pick your emotion that you're willing to feel or possibly feel like we're saying possibly because it may or may not work out. We don't know.

 

00;32;02;06 - 00;32;26;14

Nicole

Right. Disappointment is not a given. It's like if this doesn't work out, I like to ask myself, you know, basically, what are my options? I like to have options, you know, so, you know, if this doesn't go as planned, what are my options? Like, where? Where am I like, am I backed into a corner? Like, what's the financial or emotional or time implications from whatever decision?

 

00;32;26;25 - 00;32;33;12

Nicole

And then also ask myself to like what if it all works out? Like, Okay.

 

00;32;33;15 - 00;32;34;13

Heather

What if that's.

 

00;32;36;02 - 00;32;44;26

Nicole

Worth? Is that worth this this time, these potential headaches, this a potential short term stress? Yes, yes. Yes, it was. Yeah.

 

00;32;44;26 - 00;32;56;10

Heather

But I and I also think that you knowing you believe so strongly that you're going to figure out how to make it work, that it's almost like a foregone conclusion it is going to work.

 

00;32;56;22 - 00;32;57;20

Nicole

Right? Right.

 

00;32;58;01 - 00;33;12;10

Heather

Because you just believe you have confidence. You believe. I'll figure this out. So even though you play out that worst case scenario and you're like, okay, I have a plan for that, but that's really not going to happen because I'm going to kill it. I'm going to figure it out. I believe in myself and it's going to work.

 

00;33;12;10 - 00;33;32;17

Heather

And then you actually, by doing that, even unbeknownst to yourself, free yourself up, you release yourself to all kinds of possibilities just because you have the belief in yourself and the result and you've digested the worst case scenario. It's actually a really brilliant strategy.

 

00;33;32;17 - 00;33;33;07

Nicole

Well, thanks.

 

00;33;33;09 - 00;33;33;29

Heather

You're welcome.

 

00;33;35;21 - 00;33;44;04

Nicole

Oh, awesome. Shall we go on to lesson number five? Sure. All right. I love this one. And this is quality is worth paying for.

 

00;33;44;05 - 00;33;46;25

Heather

Oh, tell us more.

 

00;33;46;25 - 00;34;12;12

Nicole

Oh, yeah. All right. So in this particular case, this part of town, you know, it depends on where your where you're getting this home. This is a part of town that is getting gentrified. It was a mill town until like the mid eighties. The mill shut down. You know, North Carolina had a lot of textile mills. So all the town houses around it or these mill houses that were built in the 1930s by the mill owners where the mill workers would live.

 

00;34;12;12 - 00;34;42;11

Nicole

And they're like super cute, high ceilings, wood floors, like little 1200 square foot, little kind of bungalows, anyway, the one the mill closed, that town kind of took a nosedive. You know, there was no work, there was no jobs. So, you know, it was not a great part of town, but it was probably about ten years ago. So 2010 or so they started to revitalize.

 

00;34;42;11 - 00;34;51;25

Nicole

There was actually I think the story of the town is one person kind of bought the whole downtown and was like, we're going to revitalize it.

 

00;34;51;27 - 00;34;52;05

Heather

Okay.

 

00;34;52;07 - 00;35;13;12

Nicole

And then the the government put in all these tax incentives. So the main little strip of the little downtown, which is the old mill building, was all rehabbed at the same time. So it wasn't like, you know, where most places are. It's like dilapidated store or dilapidated to store. It was like the whole thing was rehabbed at the same time.

 

00;35;13;18 - 00;35;48;04

Nicole

Then there were tax incentives for businesses to move in and it is awesome. Oh, it worked. It's beautiful because it has this old feeling because they rehabbed the old buildings that were great, gorgeous, that you can't get architecture like that anymore. They have seating areas along the sidewalks with music playing and little speakers. There's a minor league ball stadium across the street and there's breweries and restaurants and shops and all sorts of fun things ice cream stores and candy stores and across from the baseball stadium.

 

00;35;48;04 - 00;36;15;06

Nicole

So minor league stadium is this big, giant green space for community events. They have like a research office for all the North Carolina universities. The whole kind of feel of the town is like a health and wellness. So it's like this nutrition and fitness research area. They recently just got not approved, but all the things happened that it's moving forward that like a U.S. Olympic Committee training center is moving into the area.

 

00;36;15;08 - 00;36;40;10

Nicole

That right. And it's all within it's right next to the highway. That's like a quick 25 minutes downtown Charlotte. And there's a train that goes through there. I mean, it is perfect. Yes. Yeah. So anyway, I'm like, this part of town is going through the roof. Yes. And so we chose to invest instead of doing like, you know, normal rentals have like build or grade everything.

 

00;36;40;10 - 00;37;01;29

Nicole

And it's just like you walk in and it's very uninspiring. Yes. Where this and like I'm going to I'm going to invest in a little bit higher end. Like I wasn't doing like, you know, the highest end of anything. But it was like I went to the style tile store and I got beautiful, affordable tile for the showers instead of just doing like the plastic shower.

 

00;37;02;06 - 00;37;29;11

Nicole

You know, we got it was just a solid, dark gray granite or quartz quartz countertops that, you know, instead of laminate. Yeah. You know, we got just a really pretty white checker. Even then. They were the stock cabinets. They're just really beautiful. Plain just it it looks really, really nice. So having that higher quality finish allowed us to come in for our rent.

 

00;37;29;15 - 00;37;36;22

Nicole

It's a two bedroom, but allowed us to come in for our rent at just under the average three bedroom price.

 

00;37;36;25 - 00;37;38;15

Heather

Oh, what is this price?

 

00;37;38;15 - 00;37;40;21

Nicole

I'm sure it's about 1700.

 

00;37;40;26 - 00;37;41;04

Heather

Okay.

 

00;37;41;23 - 00;37;44;10

Nicole

Where the average two bedroom price is 1400.

 

00;37;44;19 - 00;38;04;01

Heather

Oh, okay. So you came in higher because you beat her. It does not surprise me that you would go with nicer face. Come on, you're Nicole Bagley. Let's go. You have higher standards and you want to make things nice. And I love that about you. I have never thought for one singular second that you would have gone with, like, build or grade anything.

 

00;38;04;14 - 00;38;05;01

Heather

Come on.

 

00;38;05;10 - 00;38;24;05

Nicole

Oh, I love it. Here's the best part, though is like one of the fears for that, which if you guys think we're just talking about rental house rehab right now, think about it in terms of products and your photography. That's right. One of the biggest fears is that, oh, if that higher price point, I'm not going to have enough interested tenants.

 

00;38;24;08 - 00;38;36;18

Nicole

I don't know. Does that sound like, oh, at these higher product prices, I'm not going to have interested clients. That was actually the opposite case. There is a ton of interest in the home and it rented really, really quickly.

 

00;38;37;04 - 00;38;56;00

Heather

Which is amazing. And certainly your goal, correct? Correct. Yeah. You want to get somebody in there as quickly as possible. So you just had this like you have really good instincts, though. You're like, I know I need to make this nicer. I know you're that's one instinct. Another one is this area is going to grow and it's it's going to only go up in value.

 

00;38;56;00 - 00;39;17;07

Heather

That's and by the way, I just want to say, God bless that developer who did that. Yeah, that's amazing, because we have a small town near us. That is what you described as one building will be rehabbed, but then there's three that are just completely all the windows broken out. All right. You know, and they can't they can't get the town back on its legs because of that.

 

00;39;17;15 - 00;39;33;19

Heather

And so that was a brilliant move on that person's part. But anyway, yeah, the quality, quality matters. Have you ever seen this phenomenon where photographers will be too cheap and people won't buy them because they are, you know, because they think they're good?

 

00;39;34;23 - 00;39;39;10

Nicole

Yeah. Have you guys ever looked at plane tickets and you're like $39?

 

00;39;39;10 - 00;39;39;28

Heather

You know what?

 

00;39;40;14 - 00;39;44;06

Nicole

Like, do they maintain the plane? I don't think I want to fly on that plane.

 

00;39;44;06 - 00;39;46;01

Heather

Yeah, that's true.

 

00;39;46;01 - 00;39;46;06

Nicole

Yeah.

 

00;39;46;16 - 00;40;04;23

Heather

There is this phenomenon where people will search for things, even products and services especially, and they'll compare prices in a lot of people, more than you might think will actually spend more on the higher quality item because they understand that you get what you pay for.

 

00;40;05;02 - 00;40;05;27

Nicole

Mm.

 

00;40;05;27 - 00;40;06;11

Heather

So I mean.

 

00;40;06;11 - 00;40;24;24

Nicole

How many times have my parents always told me there's no such thing as a free lunch and like you get what you pay for and when something seems too good to be true and all it is. Yeah. So there's a lot of people that believe in that, that mindset. So if you have this like beautiful work and you're like, Oh, it's all $25, like people are like, Huh, no.

 

00;40;24;24 - 00;40;40;08

Nicole

Besides the fact that you're just going to be completely burned out and exhausted. Right, right. Don't do that. But yeah. So one of the things that goes along with that, though, you know, it's you can't just have these beautiful, gorgeous priced products and higher prices and be like.

 

00;40;40;21 - 00;40;41;27

Heather

That's good, right?

 

00;40;42;07 - 00;41;00;12

Nicole

They're just going to come to me. Right? The missing piece of that puzzle is really dialing into your messaging and that connection with your ideal client app. Getting into the brain of your ideal client of what do they value and and then sharing that. So that's kind of what I was thinking of here when we were doing those nicer finishes.

 

00;41;00;12 - 00;41;25;06

Nicole

I'm like Art, who was my ideal client and my ideal client with somebody that's going to be coming in to work at the Olympics Training Center. Somebody that's doing and working at that research center, maybe somebody that's working at the baseball area, or potentially someone that is working in downtown Charlotte that, you know, wants to get a little bit more for their money and wants a walkable experience because our little middle house is walkable to this little downtown.

 

00;41;25;06 - 00;41;47;12

Nicole

That's amazing on the non-negotiable for me. And, you know, getting a pet friendly rental is challenging. So of course locally and we have luxury vinyl, so it's all waterproof floors. And the originally the property manager like £35 or less, I was like, no, no, no, no. I'm fine with any dog.

 

00;41;47;20 - 00;41;49;20

Heather

Like I love all dogs. Yes.

 

00;41;49;29 - 00;42;03;21

Nicole

Any dog. And, and so yeah. So our tenant has a pet and you know, and so it was getting into the mind of like envisioning who I wanted to be in that space and then building that space for that person.

 

00;42;03;21 - 00;42;04;15

Heather

So smart.

 

00;42;04;25 - 00;42;25;04

Nicole

So we can do that for our photography business too. Like, who is your client? And it's not just someone with the dog, like, right, someone that has a dog that keeps their dog chained up outside their backyard. It's not your client, even though they have a dog. Your dog is somebody that like this morning I sat on the couch and Cami jumped up and she with me and she's only allowed on my one couch.

 

00;42;25;04 - 00;42;46;22

Nicole

Okay, so I sit on that couch often we want to cuddle. But anyway, like your ideal client, someone that's like, Hey, what are we doing this weekend? Oh, we're taking the dog. Whatever. Like, I want to Thanksgiving. I took my dog with me, like, get more into the the brain, the mindset of feelings of your client. And then just like, Oh, they have a dog and they'll pay for next things, right?

 

00;42;47;00 - 00;43;01;02

Heather

Right. You have to dial that in. Yeah. You there has to be some strategy behind that rather than just saying I'm going to do everything for anybody who has a dog. Also, I want to relate this to hiring or participating in a group or hiring a coach or mentor.

 

00;43;01;09 - 00;43;01;29

Nicole

MM hmm.

 

00;43;02;16 - 00;43;24;08

Heather

I pay and I know you pay a lot of money to be in groups and to learn from other people and here's the thing. If you hire someone and you pay $11 to work with them, okay, I'm being funny because I'm actually thinking of Udemy, which I like that platform. So not.

 

00;43;24;08 - 00;43;31;29

Nicole

Certain things. There's certain things that are great for a quick like, Hey, I just need to learn this one easy skill, correct? Correct. Yeah.

 

00;43;32;04 - 00;43;52;23

Heather

When you're working with someone on building your business, I mean, I think it just behooves you to look out, look for a quality leader, teacher, mentor or coach. And if you're spending $100 here, here's the truth. I don't care where you're at with your money. If you're spending $100 to work with someone, you're not going to fully trust them.

 

00;43;52;29 - 00;44;19;28

Heather

You're not going to fully buy into what they are teaching you or the strategies they're sharing because it's somewhere in your brain. It might be in the background. You're thinking, Well, they're early $100. Like, why would they only be $100 when you start dropping their thousands of dollars on training? Well, usually it's a higher quality training and you're going to bring a different energy when you're spending.

 

00;44;20;04 - 00;44;36;14

Heather

So that's it. You know, if I if I spend $100 to work with someone, my energy is like, oh, maybe I'll show up, maybe I'll be late, maybe I'll take it seriously, maybe I won't. But when I spend thousands, which I do, oh my gosh. My rear end is in the chair, ready to go on time. Teach me everything.

 

00;44;36;20 - 00;44;56;15

Heather

Let's go. Because I will make it worth my investment, just by the way I show up in the energy that I bring. So I wanted to add that as well. This spans all all things, all areas. I love that you were using the lessons from the rental house and we could draw all of these parallels to photography business.

 

00;44;56;15 - 00;44;58;15

Heather

But it's true with everything in life.

 

00;44;58;26 - 00;45;27;14

Nicole

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So let me recap those one more time. So our lesson number one, previously known as lesson number four, is seek advice from experts. Lesson number two is mistakes will happen. Use that as an opportunity to start from a place of new knowledge. Number three, things take time. They're going to take more time when you're learning number four, don't wait to start until you know how to do it.

 

00;45;27;14 - 00;45;34;01

Nicole

You're going to learn as you implement number five, quality is often worth paying for.

 

00;45;34;10 - 00;45;40;29

Heather

Let's figure out if it's a handbag. Oh wait. Yeah, we do have issues with the handbags.

 

00;45;40;29 - 00;45;51;22

Nicole

But I'm sure out there that finds value in the handbag, that's fine. You can no judgment call it a handout. And they're probably like, you guys, the leather so much better. There's better.

 

00;45;51;22 - 00;46;02;09

Heather

Yeah, but I put it on the floor of a restaurant, you know what I mean? Like, I know the handbags will never make sense to me. That's okay. Everybody has their thing.

 

00;46;02;17 - 00;46;14;01

Nicole

I love it. I love it. Awesome. Well, I hope you guys found this really helpful. I loved talking about this. And, you know, let's all get Heather on the rental house train one of these days, too.

 

00;46;14;01 - 00;46;21;01

Heather

He's actually I mean, it has been on my list of thoughts, you know, being friends with you, how could it not be?

 

00;46;22;06 - 00;46;22;21

Nicole

But.

 

00;46;23;16 - 00;46;37;15

Heather

You know, I have so many hang ups about like borrowing money to make money. And you fail. My gosh, I get I can do that on a small scale. I'm practicing that muscle. But to drop, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars to do that, it's.

 

00;46;37;15 - 00;46;38;23

Nicole

Like, oh, my.

 

00;46;38;23 - 00;46;52;04

Heather

Gosh, it's just currently beyond my capacity to comprehend how, however, one of my new affirmations mantras I say is, I am increasing by capacity for complexity.

 

00;46;52;05 - 00;47;04;01

Nicole

I love that one. I love it. I love it. Yeah. Because here's the cool thing about real estate investing. I mean, there's ways to do it with very little if no money down like, you know, there.

 

00;47;04;03 - 00;47;06;05

Heather

You say this, I'm like, oh.

 

00;47;06;07 - 00;47;23;05

Nicole

Seller financing because so many of these deals happen just from person to person. They don't go through the MLS, they're not on the market. Right. And so you don't have to have traditional financing and you don't have to buy a house for cash. Sometimes it's someone that's retiring and they're like, you know, I know I'm, you know, I'm getting older.

 

00;47;23;05 - 00;47;45;17

Nicole

Like I have all this equity tied up in this house, but they will instead of selling it through like the MLS, they'll find another investor that they'll do seller financing. And so they draw it up legally with a lawyer. And you basically they're the bank, you're paying them monthly and then you're getting more, you know, you're you're they're basically just the bank and you're paying them.

 

00;47;45;20 - 00;47;50;23

Nicole

And if you default, they still own their house, you know. So it's yeah.

 

00;47;51;05 - 00;48;08;27

Heather

Yeah. So you rattle all of that, you rattle everything off like it is so straightforward and simple. No, you just do this. And I'm sitting here, I think that drawer is starting to leak out of my mouth because I'm like, my brain just goes, like, into, like, see, that's so complex. And but I'm increasing my capacity for complexity.

 

00;48;08;27 - 00;48;11;07

Heather

So just, just be patient with me.

 

00;48;12;18 - 00;48;12;28

Nicole

Because.

 

00;48;13;03 - 00;48;23;20

Heather

You explain it and it makes sense. I'm like, Yeah, okay. I mean, I know the English language. I can understand what you're saying, but beyond that, my brain starts to go like, Oh my gosh.

 

00;48;24;02 - 00;48;29;11

Nicole

That sounds like a lot. Yeah, yeah. We'll get there. We'll get there.

 

00;48;29;11 - 00;48;30;06

Heather

I love it. Thank you.

 

00;48;30;12 - 00;48;39;15

Nicole

More conversations. All right, guys. I hope you guys found this helpful. Let us know at Flourish Dot Academy on it. So just wait for academy. One word on Instagram.

 

00;48;39;22 - 00;48;40;15

Heather

Yes, correct?

 

00;48;40;26 - 00;48;58;18

Nicole

Yes. Academy one word on Instagram and at Nicole Bagley. Official on Instagram. Let us know what you think if you want to talk real estate, I'm always game for that too, because I think it's super fun and yeah, we'll see you next week. You guys have a great week. Thanks for listening to the Hair of the Dog podcast.

 

00;48;58;19 - 00;49;12;15

Nicole

This was episode number 170. If you want to check out the show notes for access to any of the that we mentioned, simply go to WDW hair of the dog academy dot com slash 170.

 

00;49;12;22 - 00;49;34;21

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